How many of you will comply?

[LifesTooShortYOLO]

I am interested to know if people will comply or not if they bring in Restrictions again about not mixing households, not seeing family or lockdowns etc again.
So many people I've spoken to are pretty much all of the same mindset of 'Fu#k that I'm not not seeing my family again, enough is enough and we have to get on with our lives now'
I also read this a lot on comments of articles where people are saying no they won't do it again and not see their loved ones or be told what to do over Christmas etc.

What are everyone's overall feelings as things stand right now?

@worriedatthemoment

Depends on whether it is available, doesn't it? In my country these vaccines are not available to healthy children.

How much do children know about making cost/benefit analyses?

If the government gives nhs more money, I would comply happily. Otherwise, we would get annual lockdown. Nhs needs more staff more staff cost money. So the government needs to cough up some money, so everyone can work and pay taxes.

This coming winter will be very hard for a lot of people as gad prices have increased. I hope the libraries remain open.

[quote MercyBooth]@LucyGrey I absolutely do not condone violence or abuse but the public were told that locking down would "protect the NHS" It was entirely predictable that some of them would get very very angry when they found out that was not the case.[/quote]

I think you're underestimating the average intelligence of British public. Most would understand that a novel pandemic is, by its very nature, unpredictable and the NHS may not be able to handle it at all stages. Why be angry at that?

Or are you suggesting they are less than intelligent?

@Bananarice

If the government gives nhs more money, I would comply happily. Otherwise, we would get annual lockdown. Nhs needs more staff more staff cost money. So the government needs to cough up some money, so everyone can work and pay taxes.

This coming winter will be very hard for a lot of people as gad prices have increased. I hope the libraries remain open.

Money for staffing isn't the issue, there are thousands of active vacancies for nurses etc, but no staff willing to fill them.

I will wear a mask and have had my vaccines and a booster. I will test regularly. I will work from home where possible and I will avoid big events. I will isolate if I develop any symptoms until I test negative or after 10days. I will NOT miss seeing close family and friends and going to the local pubs and restaurants. Ive been vaccinated and wonder what the point of it is if I can't now interact socially.

I would not stop seeing my parents. We saw them throughout the third lockdown ("allowed" as we had a baby under 1) and it made the whole thing so much more bearable.
I don't think we would get the support bubble again as DD is nearly 2 now, but I am pretty sure we would bend the rules in that limited and specific way of another lockdown was ever to occur.

Yeah I'd comply, but to be honest, we are still more careful than most. Still working from home and wearing masks when out etc. But it's not because of anything the government says, I just do what feels right and considerate of others. However we are happy as a household and don't need to visit family or anything - we don't have any lonely relatives etc. It might be a different story if someone's health and wellbeing was badly affected by restrictions.

No I will not comply. Never did! I trust my immune system. If this is a coronavirus I will be fine, if it is something more sinister, I'll take my chance. I will decide what is best for me!

I'll wear a mask (I still do, tbh) and I've had three primary vaccines (after much drama).

But there's a social care and misery crisis on the rise in the UK, so of course households have to be able to mix.

Maybe if the Dept of Health's third primary and general booster jab programmes hadn't been such a massive fuck-up in terms of recording systems, we would all be in a better position.

Depends on what I'm asked to do, and the evidence I can see for it.

Those that won’t comply, shame on you

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Yes I would. Never stopped being careful really.

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How the heck have all these immune compromised people been living before Covid?!!

I gave them NO thought before covid in terms of my day to day life

And I’m not prepared to going forward.

If my children or my family were immune compromised… then of course I would. But I would have been careful presumably my pre covid too.

So you don't see the issue caused by what you even acknowledge most not all, not majority, not segmented by any meaningful criteria. Why should we care about our children, those who might be vaccinated, but are still at risk, etc... ?

Children are not really affected much by this virus and 12-16 and vulnerable kids can get the vaccine now. People who chose not to vaccinate because they don't like the idea are not anyone's problem, they should grow up and either take the vaccine or get on with things, whatever they chose.

What do you know about the state of the hospitals and health services at the moment?
What is the state? All I know is the NHS is one of the worst health system in the developed world, how does locking down change this? The more we lockdown the less taxes we get and less public money to spend on... health.

No I do not understand how locking down would solve anything at all. Masks, yes, SD in public spaces, yes, but anything else is a unreasonable curtailing of people's civic rights at this point (not until vacccine programme was rolled out) and it will make things worse.

We have already had. atste that nasty colds and the flu will make people very ill this winter as we haven't been mixing in the last 2 years and people's immune systems are not used to dealing with any virus. Locking down at this point is not even an option.

@Reallyimeanreally2022

How the heck have all these immune compromised people been living before Covid?!!

I gave them NO thought before covid in terms of my day to day life

And I’m not prepared to going forward.

If my children or my family were immune compromised… then of course I would. But I would have been careful presumably my pre covid too.

I take your point, but the current threat from Covid given case numbers and the fact it's considerably more dangerous than the flu, means I understand their anxiety.

There's a big difference though between someone who's CEV, such as someone with organ failure, who can't produce any antibody defence even with a vaccine, and someone who is "merely" CV who have responded typically to the vaccine and for whom Covid was never the type of threat it was to the former type of person. However, the two seem to be lumped together by many people.

But @Warhertisuff

All those very seriously immune compromised would have been very restricted before covid. All their lives in fact.

And I didn’t give them one single second thought before covid.

So why should I now? Covid is one of many conditions that could seriously impact a seriously immune compromised person.

Do I feel for them? Yes.
I felt for them before covid
I feel for them now

Do I want to restrict my life, my children’s lives, my family, my friends because of immune compromised strangers? Fuck no

@brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I’ll comply because it’s not exactly hard is it ? The British seem to have a uniquely infantile attitude to public health.

And this is a particularly infantile comment.

It's not hard for most people to wear a mask in shops. The only reason I'd be pissed off if it were brought back in is for the people who genuinely can't wear them, as it must be much easier for them now and would be rubbish for it to become more difficult again, just to go to the supermarket. I remember a thread on here where so many posters were abusing the OP, a rape victim, for not being able to wear a mask. I thought at the time that this kind of nasty behaviour was worse than the virus itself. Mumsnet has always had several posters who like to bully others whilst ironically claiming some kind of false moral superiority but this was a whole new level of batshit nastiness.

To suggest its 'not exactly hard' to go back to working from home, to not be allowed to see friends or family, especially after having to do this, what, 3 times before? Just more Mumsnet batshittery tbh.

Nope. Not a chance.

@Chloemol

I will comply

I have friends with Long Covid, I know people who have had family members die,

I don’t want that to happen to anyone, so unlike lots on here I am prepared to do what is considered necessary to ensure we reduce cases

Those that won’t comply, shame on you

My parents loved Christmas, it was their favourite day of the year as they got to see all of their children, GC and GGC. It was a noisy and chaotic morning. They would then join me at my house (literally a 2 minute walk from theirs), for lunch. 2019 was one of the best Christmases ever. By Christmas 2020 they were both dead (1 from Covid, 1 from cancer 7 months later). We were (and still are), grieving and yet, once again, we were expected to suck it up and sacrifice our own need to be together for that 1 day. Throughout 2020 the needs and wants of those of us who were going through Hell were ignored, dismissed and downplayed (zoom is no substitution for a hug when you've just buried your parents).
To expect others...no, demand that others....should go through that and to shame them for not doing that, well the shame is on you. We, as a family will not comply this year, we did for "you" last year. If anyone believes us to be "selfish" then I suggest they take a look in a mirror to see who the "selfish" one is.

@Reallyimeanreally2022

But *@Warhertisuff*

All those very seriously immune compromised would have been very restricted before covid. All their lives in fact.

And I didn’t give them one single second thought before covid.

So why should I now? Covid is one of many conditions that could seriously impact a seriously immune compromised person.

Do I feel for them? Yes.
I felt for them before covid
I feel for them now

Do I want to restrict my life, my children’s lives, my family, my friends because of immune compromised strangers? Fuck no

This.

People can dress it up as "selfish" but quite honestly unless you are CEV or have a CEV family member most people don't give it much thought.

The whole thing is rather draining isn't it?

If they have another lockdown and close all non-essential retailers, bars, cafes, pubs and restaurants then there's no option as these places will be closed so it's all academic - you can't go if they're closed but I think a lot more would close down and economically they couldn't stand another lockdown.

In terms of will people comply and not see their families and friends? I think they'll have a right job policing this to be honest. People are just fed up with it all and I'm damned If I'm having a miserable Christmas

No, I won’t comply. I will see family. The government need to seriously overhaul the NHS so it can become fit for purpose again.

It’s interesting to read the responses here. Most of them are perfect examples of why the government must legally mandate their guidance and not leave it to personal choice because the public simply can not be trusted to make the necessary one.

What will no doubt happen is there will be guidance about household mixing and social distancing in the coming weeks. My guess is adherence will be much lower than previous lockdowns because people have had a taste of life ‘without Covid’ when in reality it’s been circling us all along, just in the background. The cases will then continue increasing to the point when severe lockdown type action will need to be taken, which will be plan C or D.

Some do need to experience how bad things will get before they will adjust their behaviour because they’re not able to comprehend the potential issues we would face, I’m not just talking about spreading to family etc but the logistical and societal impacts that come with a collapsed health system and an out of control virus.

Unless we adapt to the new reality of Living with Covid we can expect to be rinse and repeating our lockdown cycle for years to come.