COVID infected child coming into school

[Dancerinthedark01]

Sorry - rubbish title

But DD11 just came home and says BoyA came into school this morning saying his whole family has COVID. He was late in because he’d just been tested. He then sat there sniffing and squinting his eyes. DD’s description.

Then half an hour later he was taken out of school because test came back as positive.

Is this normal practice now?

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1449437841260531717

This one. It’s a thread which is where they have more than 140 characters so you scroll
down. I thought it was interesting as it looks at data from other countries specifically on schoolchildren.

WRT Scotland I’m a little lost - do you mean the similarity in trajectory to London suggests that masks have little to no impact? I’d agree with that - I think masks have little impact in themselves but perhaps there is a link between attitudes to the virus in places which mandate masks versus those where they don’t, eg: Scotland has vaccinated far, far more teens than England.

I have no clue why Scotland's rates have done what they've done. Their CMO presumably knows.

But the fact is masks reduce transmission, so it would have presumably fallen less without them.

No one thinks masks stop all COVID transmission, they do reduce the spread.

Why are we still discussing this? England is so backwards sometimes. Can understand why Hunt keeps saying 'look at Korea'. Just impressed he doesn't add 'ffs'.

“ The vaccination rate among 12- to 15-year-olds in England currently stands at just 14.2% according to official data, compared with 44.3% in Scotland.” (Yesterday’s Guardian)

Must be relevant to case numbers, surely?

I’m not sure why you keep posting the same Twitter thread @PersephoneJames

I think we’ve all said we would have supported earlier vaccinations for children and that could have had an impact. Yes it absolutely should have happened over the summer. But we are where we are now and we’re thinking long term and balance here.

We’ve suffered a terrible time from Delta and I don’t think that hasn’t helped our cases. Comparing countries who’ve gone through waves and lockdowns at different times isn’t hugely helpful now.

We know what suppresses the virus and we’ve decided those measures are disproportionate and we’re on a different path now.

Has helped our cases

I have no clue why Scotland's rates have done what they've done.

Ok it’s worth thinking about because no new restrictions were introduced which means the virus transmission was slowed sharply by being interrupted by immunity.

This means masks did little to stop that stage being reached.

@MarshaBradyo

I have no clue why Scotland's rates have done what they've done.

Ok it’s worth thinking about because no new restrictions were introduced which means the virus transmission was slowed sharply by being interrupted by immunity.

This means masks did little to stop that stage being reached.

You're putting 2+2 and making 5.

Masks we're not involved in that dip, but removing masks would have resulted in different numbers.

COVID is complicated, no one is saying masks solve it, they are part of a package of measures that all sane countries are deploying.

England is, in COVID terms, insane.

The thread wasn’t mine @Delatron ! I just found it interesting. It isn’t so much comparing countries as learning from and acting on data from others. It happens in ever other area of scientific research.

We know what suppresses the virus and we’ve decided those measures are disproportionate and we’re on a different path now.

Who decided those are disproportionate?

Politicians who are interested in winning elections, not saving lives.

That’s the worry.

Masks we're not involved in that dip, but removing masks would have resulted in different numbers.

How?

If the peak was reached as fewer people to infect then masks didn’t do much?

They would only flatten that curve if they were effective.

Sorry @PersephoneJames

From what I read it was all about the fact that we should have vaccinated our children earlier. And more transparency from the government which I agree with.

There’s no way to prove that removing masks would have had a different outcome for Scotland.

Mitigations suppress curves and make them flatter and longer

Without masks maybe it would have been sharper but it was pretty steep already

@Delatron

There’s no way to prove that removing masks would have had a different outcome for Scotland.

Only the weight of scientific evidence that masks have some limiting effect on transmission.

Some people say there's no evidence dinosaurs existed.

Yes it may have flattened it from a sharper rise and fall

But it’s a sharp curve pre Winter all the same.

And most people in this country do not want kids in schools in masks. If you do then you can still wear one.

Vaccinations will have far more impact than kids rewearing masks with their noses hanging out. Screwing them up in their pockets and getting them out again the next day. Touching them then touching door knobs. That’s what the evidence says actually.

Unless you want kids in full medical grade masks??

The focus should be getting as many children vaccinated as quickly as possible. Not reintroducing masks.

@MarshaBradyo

Mitigations suppress curves and make them flatter and longer

Without masks maybe it would have been sharper but it was pretty steep already

Agreed @MarshaBradyo

@rrhuth I accept your point about masks, but is it really beneficial to extend a curve into winter through additional mitigations?!

Of course vaccinations make a big impact.

Shame we are not vaccinating teens in the UK

Just over 10%

Europe way ahead. Plus masks. = A lot fewer kids with diabetes in ten years' time.

Well yes BUT there is a correlation between countries with kids in masks and higher childhood Covid vaccination rates, probably because they benefit from a govt who takes both children’s well-being and Covid seriously. England is showing very little interest in actually implementing vaccines (and the CO2 things) and I know kids who’ve had to cancel their vaccines appointment because they’ve contracted Covid (and now have a risk of long covid - I know nobody likes to think about it but the Israel long covid data isn’t nice reading).

Sigh. Yes it is a shame we are not vaccinating teens quick enough. Yes Europe have done that better. Yes that will be having a positive impact on their cases.

@rrhuth I accept your point about masks, but is it really beneficial to extend a curve into winter through additional mitigations?!

Well anything goes if your only plan is 'fuck it and let everyone catch it, and who cares how many kids get heart disease in a decade when I'm no longer PM'

Personally, I'd have preferred my child to have the vaccine (two doses) before masks disappeared.

There is never any sanity in 'catch it now to avoid catching it later' tbh. That's just evidence your country has completely failed. No other country has that message.

Agree with @PersephoneJames re. the Israel data is awful reading. Europe is protecting their children, UK (especially England) is not.

Masks wouldn’t have stopped your dc getting it

The only way was to vaccinate earlier

Which was down to JCVI, government was keen to get going

If the government was keen, they'd be doing it now.

They went to the trouble of briefing CMO to rethink and prepare in advance

What is slowing it down?