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Whats the big deal with mixing with unvaccinated people?

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ssd · 01/10/2021 07:52

This is genuine, its nit a debate whether to get the vaccine or not. I personally got them as fast as i could because I'm scared of covid. And i accept others can't due to health reasons and others won't cos they choose not to.

But i keep reading here questions about mixing with unvaccinated people. How others determine this is a mystery to me.

Ive know vaccinated people still catch and spread covid. Having the vaccine doesn't stop that. It just hopefully stops you getting more ill if you catch it. So why the anxiety over mixing with unvaccinated people??
I genuinely dont get it. Has it been proved somewhere that unvaccinated people spread it more??? I've missed it if it has.

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WiseUpJanetWeiss · 01/10/2021 12:11

I think you’re starting from a false premise OP. Vaccination does reduce the likelihood of Covid infection. Therefore unvaccinated people are more likely to be infected than vaccinated. Also

a) unvaccinated people seem to also be the anti-maskers, they are less likely to be keeping their Covid to themselves

b) unvaccinated people appear also to be the anti-lockdowners, so it seems likely that they will have been engaged in more risky behaviour, therefore are more likely to be infected.

Clearly that’s not true in all cases, but for people who are trying to reduce their own likelihood of getting Covid it makes sense to minimise the number of unvaccinated (and un-masked) contacts.

beentoldcomputersaysno · 01/10/2021 13:02

Kids aren't vaccinated and I mix with them daily! I only know for certain of one person who isn't vaccinated, I'm sure there are others that I don't know about. It wouldn't make me not see them (unless they were an extreme us for them/Nuremberg trials/think they're going to stick to a fridge type etc)!

XenoBitch · 01/10/2021 13:16

I see more drama about it on MN than in real life. My friends know I am unvaccinated (one is CEV) and none care about that.
It is the vitriol aimed at people who have declined the vaccine that really gets to me. I have seen comments on MN that are absolutely disgusting. Maybe there is something in the vaccine that turns you into an arsehole?

Mindymomo · 01/10/2021 13:35

The only problem I have come across in the workplace (not mine, but a friends), is that when someone tested positive, the unvaccinated worker had to isolate for 10 days, when vaccinated were ok to carry on working, so they were very short staffed and this has caused a bit of friction.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 01/10/2021 14:03

I caught Covid from a double vaccinated person. I couldn't care less who I mix with after that.

Ragwort · 01/10/2021 14:08

I agree this seems to a Mumsnet issue, I have no idea who is or isn't vaccinated (I am). I don't ask people ... I work in retail, no idea if my colleagues are vaccinated and of course I don't know if customers are or aren't .... it just doesn't come up in my day to day conversations.

Actually I do know one colleague isn't vaccinated, she told me that 'she doesn't believe in it' ... that's her choice. . I happily got to friends homes, restaurants etc - I honestly don't think about it.

duffeldaisy · 01/10/2021 14:10

@DressedUpAtAnIvy
"People who can get vaccinated but choose not to are telling you something about themselves and their attitude to risk, their social conscience and their understanding of Covid. That makes people trust them less."

Exactly. And it's not about whether they wear seatbelts or eat 5 a day, it's the fact that (unless they have a medical reason, which is a tiny, tiny percentage of people) they are choosing to risk spreading this thing, and are refusing to bother doing anything to protect those the vaccines don't work for.

I get that a lot of anti-vaxxers are just ill-informed, or have been sucked in by people who want covid to spread, rather than 'bad people', but I still don't want to take any more risks than necessary.

debbs77 · 01/10/2021 14:12

I've been thinking this too.

People having holidays cancelled due to unvaccinated children (who are too young to have the vaccine), people choosing a Nanny based on whether she was vaccinated or not, etc etc.

Yet hardly anyone where I live wears a mask!

UsedUpUsername · 01/10/2021 14:12

@DumplingsAndStew

I think its not been definitely proven as yet, but that evidence points towards vaccinated people being less likely to catch and transmit the virus. I think I've read they would also have a lower viral load.

I mean the vaccine would be kind of a failure if it didn’t do this. Otherwise only 60+ people and those obese or have health conditions would be getting the vaccine, no?

duffeldaisy · 01/10/2021 14:14

For me, it's not just a Mumsnet thing. A member of my family is choosing to stay unvaccinated ("but being careful") and so the rest of us are not going to be meeting them in person for the forseeable because we don't want to risk it.

Tillysfad · 01/10/2021 14:16

Vaccinated people are certainly somewhat less likely to transmit. That statistic will shoot up with the booster as it seems to offer enhanced protection against transmission. The more people who choose not to be vaccinated, the less we will benefit from a medical advance that has alleviated the deaths of thousands.

Unvaccinated people are making a choice that's landing some of them in ICU at a time when we need those beds. Their choice gives the virus a playground to mutate just when we need to curtail that possibility as much as possible. In India, we saw what the Delta variant did to a health care system that usually does alright by a portion of the population. It was on its knees. That would be us if everyone made the same choice as unvaccinated people.

It's hard to see them in exactly the same way as before, if there are no other reasons than not wanting to. Apart from anything else they are probably listening to dangerous rubbish on YouTube and believing it.

Ragwort · 01/10/2021 14:19

duffel but do you actually ask people if they are have been vaccinated, and then decide whether or not you will mix with them?

I met a friend for a coffee yesterday, hadn't seen her for a while but I wouldn't have dreamt of asking her 'have you been vaccinated?' And she didn't ask me .... and it didn't come up in conversation.

Djifunrsn · 01/10/2021 14:19

I don't actually know anyone who is unvaccinated (adult obv)

EvilRingahBitch · 01/10/2021 14:19

Vaccination makes you somewhat less likely to catch it and somewhat less likely to transmit it according to the best available data. Personally I'm not fussed - I'm vaccinated myself and resigned to the fact that I'm going to get it eventually.

But I'd want anyone caring for my vulnerable eighty year old mum to be vaccinated because that "somewhat"
could be the difference between life and death for her.

XenoBitch · 01/10/2021 14:19

@duffeldaisy

If they are being careful, then what is it you are worried about? Or are you worried about your risk to them?

RedRiverShore · 01/10/2021 14:25

Children aren’t vaccinated but there doesn’t seem to be the same fuss and worry about them. Very odd

duffeldaisy · 01/10/2021 14:28

Do I ask people if they're vaccinated? Yes. It comes up. All my close friends are, but then most of them work in medical areas, so they want to. I would definitely ask a friend/family member before seeing them.

And yes, it's partly my danger to them (although I'm double vaxxed), also their danger in spreading it to me & close family, and it's also because I don't think I could have a happy conversation with them, knowing that we have such different views on caring for others, or stopping this thing. I like to have very honest friendships, and I couldn't get past that completely different world-view tbh.
Life's really too short to be tolerant of people acting in a damaging way.

Ragwort · 01/10/2021 14:32

That's interesting Duffel, as I said earlier, I am double vaxxed but not one person has ever asked me, nor have I asked anyone.

duffeldaisy · 01/10/2021 14:35

@Ragwort
Don't you talk about covid though, and how it's going?
I guess it has affected my life and family's life a huge amount - changing to working from home, not travelling, avoiding big events, protecting some CEV relatives, so it does come up as part of conversation.

I know I'm lucky in having those options because of my work/situation. Friends who have been travelling to work throughout definitely feel less affected by it.

Tupla · 01/10/2021 15:31

Yes, it does seem that unvaccinated people are more likely to spread it. However, it's very difficult to know if people are vaccinated or not (unless you know them well) so it's not terribly helpful advice.

Flup · 01/10/2021 17:45

I'm double vaxxed, CEV and recently had covid so the risk to me from an unvaccinated person is pretty much zero right now.
It was different before I was infected and will be again no doubt.
It's really not a MN thing. All my friends are very cautious and double vaccinated, we were all so desperate gor our turn to get jabbed. My adult DC are the same. They know the odd one who is unvaccinated and are a bit .
As to tradesmen or hairdressers, cleaners etc. Many actually advertise they are fully vaccinated. And it's certainly not illegal to ask. If they refuse to answer I think that can be taken as a no.
I would agree that people who have not been vaccinated because they dont believe it's a risk are likely to be less careful. I do have some sympathy with those who have severe anxiety around injections though I think there should be help available for them.
Yes, children are unvaccinated, they are also currentlythe ones most infected. Personally I don't have small children and until I got covid I would actively avoid close contact with children.
I was right to be cautious btw. I am immunosuppressed and was very ill despite vaccination but not as ill as I would have been without it according to my consultant.

XenoBitch · 01/10/2021 17:48

I am more worried about the double vaccinated who are going about their business but have someone coughing up Covid everywhere at home.

DappledThings · 01/10/2021 18:25

@User5490453456

They might start shedding their stupidity.

I was going to wrote a longer reply but I think this sums it up!

I'm not in any way scared of catching covid from someone unvaccinated but there's a very good chance if they are they probably also have a load of wacky views I really can't be arsed engaging with.

Brabraboo · 01/10/2021 21:07

@DressedUpAtAnIvy

People who can get vaccinated but choose not to are telling you something about themselves and their attitude to risk, their social conscience and their understanding of Covid. That makes people trust them less.

Agree with this

Stuffin · 01/10/2021 21:12

Double vaccinated but don't care either way about mixing with unvaccinated people.

I only had it because I thought it would make travelling easier so can understand those that choose not to if it doesn't benefit them or they want to adopt a wait and see attitude regarding risks.

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