Refusing to be vaccinated or tested

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Does anyone know someone who refuses to be vaccinated or tested and if so, how is it impacting their day to day life?

Misinformation @sleepwouldbenice as opposed to -

Continual tests for a virus everyone will end up getting

Continual vaccines for a virus most people don't know they have unless tested that doesn't stop transmission that need continual boosters people will need to take for the forseeable future to maintain vaccine immunity levels

The people getting on with life not testing continually are the ones ignoring what is now irrational hysteria. If you wish to live in terror fair enough but don't foist your fear on others- if you aren't eligible for the booster when vaccine immunity ends do you plan on just testing yourself indefinitely for the next 50 years? If going to work with symptoms which basically mimic a cold keeping a roof over your families head makes someone a " twat" I'm happy to be one but then the ones saying this are normally stuck indoors all day watching this morning

@Jennifermadison

I haven't had the vaccine or been tested - reasons why

Millions of people have had covid so what logic is there to testing for something everyone will get anyway.

Reasons for not getting a vaccine is I'm not worried about covid, the vaccine worries me more than a virus that has an average mortality age of 83. The vaccine doesn't last long with immunity is another issue and have no intention of taking boosters of the rest of my life for a disease that doesn't worry me

Each to their own I say

This is the definition of sociopathy.

It's all about me, me, me.

@AlixandraTheGreat If it wasn't for the sociopaths as you call it, you wouldn't have food in your stomach, heating in your house to fund your daytime tv. I appreciate you want to test yourself indefinitely for the rest of your life for a virus we will all contract cowering away but allow others to have some common sense. The ones screaming " me me me " as you disdainfully put it spend their days on a forum with a username they can't even spell telling people they shouldn't feed their kids or put a roof over their head due to cowards like you huddled away all day

@Jennifermadison

Life is finite and the hysteria now surrounding covid is not proportional to the virus itself considering all of the medical information we have available

Covid has now taken the lives of 692,000 people in the US - making it officially worse than the 1918 Spanish flu.

Worldwide, there have been 4.55 million deaths.

But the hysteria is not proportionate to you? You couldn't be bothered protecting yourself and the people around you?

[quote Jennifermadison]@AlixandraTheGreat If it wasn't for the sociopaths as you call it, you wouldn't have food in your stomach, heating in your house to fund your daytime tv. I appreciate you want to test yourself indefinitely for the rest of your life for a virus we will all contract cowering away but allow others to have some common sense. The ones screaming " me me me " as you disdainfully put it spend their days on a forum with a username they can't even spell telling people they shouldn't feed their kids or put a roof over their head due to cowards like you huddled away all day[/quote]

If you are public-facing, that's even more need for you to not to take chances. And who said I was 'hiding at home'? As for my username, it isn't a misspelling at all. It's a name.

I've had both jags but haven't tested at all - no need as I'm disabled and hardly go out. Pretty sure I had COVID in April 2020 but no testing available back then - my dh who is a GP had to have 2 weeks off work as ds and I had classic symptoms but we couldn't get tested one way or the other.

If I or someone in the house had symptoms then I'd test, or if I was going out more, or for entertainments or travel. Just haven't had the need up to now.

[quote AlixandraTheGreat]@Jennifermadison

Life is finite and the hysteria now surrounding covid is not proportional to the virus itself considering all of the medical information we have available

Covid has now taken the lives of 692,000 people in the US - making it officially worse than the 1918 Spanish flu.

Worldwide, there have been 4.55 million deaths.

But the hysteria is not proportionate to you? You couldn't be bothered protecting yourself and the people around you?

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and 18 million die each year due to poverty worldwide- what's your point? You think the answer is telling people to continually test and be forced to isolate potentially losing their job unable to fend for themselves and family financially? Are you really naive enough to believe every person unless locked in an attic won't contract covid eventually?

What do you do about the 18 million deaths per year just down to poverty alone- any charitable donations or just spending all day on here demanding people stay in funding your lifestyle risking their own and childrens future? Who is going to pay their rent and mortgage- alixandra the " great" from mumsnet?

Have a firend in this situation however he now has to get his to go to concerts so has changed his mind. Another friend was the same but again has decided to get his when his friend was admitted to ICU following being particularly anti vaccine and anti mask.

Had a lovely patient really struggling and requiring some oxygen support but thankfully not too severe. She was initially very stand offish about the vaccine and treatment "I've not been vaccinated and don't wish to discuss it" "I won't take oral steroids I don't believe that is necessary". I have no interest in arguing with antivaxers so just treated her with kindness. Throughout the night she opened up and thr main reason she had declined the vaccine was risk of blood clots as a close relative had died of a blood clot. I was so sad to tell her that during her blood tests we had discovered that covid had given her a blood clot and thats why she was finding it so hard to breathe.

@Jennifermadison

Infact the very definition of a sociopath is ordering people to inject themselves due to their own fears and risk losing their livelihoods with never ending tests and isolations - doesn't get more selfish and cowardly than that contrary to my belief of it being the choice of each family in the country to make the best decisions according to their circumstances. There is nothing great about your life philosophy *@AlixandraTheGreat* - prob you need to take the great part out. Imagine a young family where the main breadwinner may be self employed, gets a test which is notoriously unreliable and self isolates stating " well kids, no food tonight as there's no cash in the bank but Alixandra the great from mumsnet will feel better we aren't sociopaths

Yes they should isolate but then I’ve felt the same about colds previously. Why should people be out and about spreading their illnesses. If you are public facing there is even more reason to not be out spreading.

Each to their own on vaccines but if you have symptoms test or isolate if you don’t want to test.

A member of my family missed out the first couple of weeks of going to a new school because a friend they’d seen in the holidays parents had refused to test or isolate or be vaccinated and sent their child out mixing while they (the parents) were severely ill (blue lighted to hospital in the end). Your actions have consequences for others and that’s when it stops being each to their own.

if you think people should "isolate when they have a cold" it shows just how deluded people are in how the real world works away from cyberland

Symptoms of covid are "runny nose, sore throat, fatigue " for eg and people think that warrants a test or isolation- I'd be taking tests every other day over the winter like many people. You realise that millions of people have had covid presumably so why would you keep testing or are you naive enough to think you can avoid it

Infact the very definition of a sociopath is ordering people to inject themselves due to their own fears and risk losing their livelihoods with never ending tests and isolations

This.

Yep I know one. Full on down conspiracy theory rabbit hole. She needed surgery but won't have it as swabs are cancerous and break blood brain barrier etc etc
Instead going down homeopathic route.

@Jennifermadison

Misinformation *@sleepwouldbenice* as opposed to -

Continual tests for a virus everyone will end up getting

Continual vaccines for a virus most people don't know they have unless tested that doesn't stop transmission that need continual boosters people will need to take for the forseeable future to maintain vaccine immunity levels

The people getting on with life not testing continually are the ones ignoring what is now irrational hysteria. If you wish to live in terror fair enough but don't foist your fear on others- if you aren't eligible for the booster when vaccine immunity ends do you plan on just testing yourself indefinitely for the next 50 years? If going to work with symptoms which basically mimic a cold keeping a roof over your families head makes someone a " twat" I'm happy to be one but then the ones saying this are normally stuck indoors all day watching this morning

Your posts are full of every covid minimising cliche in your very long book

@Jennifermadison

I haven't had the vaccine or been tested - reasons why

Millions of people have had covid so what logic is there to testing for something everyone will get anyway.

Reasons for not getting a vaccine is I'm not worried about covid, the vaccine worries me more than a virus that has an average mortality age of 83. The vaccine doesn't last long with immunity is another issue and have no intention of taking boosters of the rest of my life for a disease that doesn't worry me

Each to their own I say

I'm with you exact same reasons...

Doesn't impact my job & I can't afford a holiday abroad, if domestic passports come in it will not significantly affect me either..

@sleepwouldbenice

Your posts are full of every covid minimising cliche in your very long book

They are, and they remind me of a very recent prolific poster. This poster is new or a name change. Do you remember Petey?

I've not had the jab or a test. It hasn't affected my life at all.

With regards to travel, I've been lucky enough to do a lot of travelling throughout my life already. If I could never travel abroad again, I'd be a little disappointed but not enough to force me into having an unwanted vaccine.

If they haven’t been vaccinated then they will be breaking the law if they don’t self isolate if they are identified as a close contact. Travel would be a pain in the arse.

Again with the false dichotomy of it's either removal of all suppression measures or "cowering in fear" @Jennifermadison

It's a lazy argument that is repeatedly disproven but keeps getting posted anyway.

A combination of measures like vaccination, asymptomatic testing, isolation if positive, masks in crowded areas are the things that are allowing us to go about daily life and live as normally as possible whilst minimising impact on the individual and economy.

I'm doing all of those whilst getting public transport, travelling abroad for work, going to bars/restaurants. Hardly cowering at home under my duvet but just taking sensible precautions that don't impact me personally in the slightest.

For those that don't want to be vaccinated or wear a mask - they don't have to. But calling for all of these restrictions to be dropped will have the opposite impact to what you think it will.

And yes as @sleepwouldbenice said - your posts are full of every COVID-minimising claim in existence.

Doesn’t this poster remember 2020? Before the vaccine “ordinary” people were getting very sick.

The IT bloke at dsis’s company is currently in intensive care with covid. 38 years old and, that’s right, a vaccine refuser. Couldn’t possibly badly affect a fit young man - or so he thought….

@riveted1

Again with the false dichotomy of it's either removal of all suppression measures or "cowering in fear" *@Jennifermadison*

It's a lazy argument that is repeatedly disproven but keeps getting posted anyway.

A combination of measures like vaccination, asymptomatic testing, isolation if positive, masks in crowded areas are the things that are allowing us to go about daily life and live as normally as possible whilst minimising impact on the individual and economy.

I'm doing all of those whilst getting public transport, travelling abroad for work, going to bars/restaurants. Hardly cowering at home under my duvet but just taking sensible precautions that don't impact me personally in the slightest.

For those that don't want to be vaccinated or wear a mask - they don't have to. But calling for all of these restrictions to be dropped will have the opposite impact to what you think it will.

And yes as @sleepwouldbenice said - your posts are full of every COVID-minimising claim in existence.

Endless vaccination, asymptomatic testing, isolation if positive, masks in crowded areas are the things that are allowing us to go about daily life and live as normally as possible in your eyes not mine.

What you call covid minimising I call living a finite life not buying into the hysteria as you clearly do

@DottyHarmer

Doesn’t this poster remember 2020? Before the vaccine “ordinary” people were getting very sick.

The IT bloke at dsis’s company is currently in intensive care with covid. 38 years old and, that’s right, a vaccine refuser. Couldn’t possibly badly affect a fit young man - or so he thought….

The statistics of 38 year olds getting sick in intensive care show this is incredibly rare despite your scaremongering. The average age of death from covid is above life expectancy- a random bloke you apparently know at a company doesn't change that. I prefer to look at actual data surrounding covid rather than a few posters online who are determined to keep painting covid out as the black death

I’m not scaremongering. It is absolutely true.

Look how hospital admissions have fallen with the vaccine.

Can’t be doing with anti-vaxxers. Ignorant and the memories of a particularly thick fish.