Is it ok we are just letting our kids get Covid?

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DD5 has just tested positive for Covid. There have been several cases in her Year 1 class but school remains the same. Under the old rules the ‘bubble’ would have closed and she would perhaps have stood some chance of not getting it.
Is it ok that we are letting the government pursue a herd immunity policy with a novel virus amongst our kids?
We seem to be the only country doing this?

re following science -

The scientific approach to vaccination would ideally by to vaccinate before the person gets exposed to the illness and then gets ill/

Rather than afterwards.

For example, if I am going on holiday and need a yellow fever vaccination, I would organise this before I left rather than when I got back

And vulnerable parents haven't had boosters yet.

This is an argument that never ends.

Perhaps there’ll be a 4th booster, a 5th.

The measures being suggested have significant cost. They may not have significant benefits. That analysis never been done on any proper level.

I think a lot of people want to ‘feel’ like something’s being done, it’s a psychological thing. But we can’t at this stage indulge that without a proper cost/benefit analysis of what’s being proposed.

And unfortunately covid is not a preventable disease now, or not without stringent lockdown measures and cutting ourselves off. Even best case scenarios are about delaying infections. So that has to be factored into the equation also.

However, the CMO and Mr Javid think that vaccination for 12-15s IS important for their health and education.

So it would make sense to implement this in a logical manner, ie so that if possible they get exposed after rather than before getting the jab.

School class closures aren't all collated anywhere, apart from on Twitter. But if you want help with Googling, have a look at the bluest areas here (where they've had reports of outbreaks) and then look up the local newspapers for details/fact-checking in those areas.

safeedforall.com/covid-19-weekly-school-updates/

@TheKeatingFive

And vulnerable parents haven't had boosters yet.

This is an argument that never ends.

Perhaps there’ll be a 4th booster, a 5th.

The measures being suggested have significant cost. They may not have significant benefits. That analysis never been done on any proper level.

I think a lot of people want to ‘feel’ like something’s being done, it’s a psychological thing. But we can’t at this stage indulge that without a proper cost/benefit analysis of what’s being proposed.

And unfortunately covid is not a preventable disease now, or not without stringent lockdown measures and cutting ourselves off. Even best case scenarios are about delaying infections. So that has to be factored into the equation also.

No not psychological anything thanks.

The boosters are meant to be happening this month. As are the vaccinations for 12-15s.

So - quite soon really.

@duffeldaisy very interesting, thanks, I hadn't seen that

Boosters aren't psychological.

Unless you reckon that all the over 60s and under 16s who have the flu jab each year to protect the vulnerable ends of the population just do it for the buzz of mental wellbeing.

Well, my 9 year old is very interested in medical stuff and likes the stickers she gets

@herecomesthsun
You're welcome! It's not ever so helpful with detail, but it's useful as a general heads-up and guide where to look for more info.

Actually, I'd not seen it before - I normally follow Daniella Modos-Cutter for reporting outbreaks in the media, but as Twitter refs don't go down well here, I had a deeper look!

@herecomesthsun
Good point about the stickers and education in medicine/what nurses do, etc! Okay, jabs do have a wellbeing side too!

I have seen it on the media and I think people mentioning it on here.

I reckon this means that the proposed carnage re staff off hasn’t happened. Which is good.

@herecomesthsun

However, the CMO and Mr Javid think that vaccination for 12-15s IS important for their health and education.

So it would make sense to implement this in a logical manner, ie so that if possible they get exposed after rather than before getting the jab.

Yes but not high risk medically so that changes the weighing up the risk v delay

I think it depends on the school doesn't it (we do have a number of staff off since you ask, and increased measures in school, and reorganisation of some subjects still in place for some years etc)

The JCVI didn't take Long Covid into consideration (which there are lots of threads on here, so you can read up on people's experiences if you need). They had a very narrow remit (and still found vaccinating better than not marginally, even on the few bits they were looking at) which is why they didn't take the final decision.

I trust the JCVI to make a considered decision over mners but others will feel differently which is up to them.

Tbh the issue for teachers seems to be petrol atm not sickness if you are going to look at discussions.

I think we DO want to delay people getting covid though, which is why Mr Johnson, the CMO and Mr Javid have recommended wearing masks inside atc and people to remain cautious.

Otherwise, would they not be recommending covid parties as a medical measure?

www.itv.com/news/2021-09-13/johnson-to-set-out-plans-for-booster-jabs-and-winter-plan-to-fight-covid

"People in England are being advised to wear face masks in crowded places and meet outdoors where possible, the prime minister has said, as he set out the government's plan to tackle coronavirus throughout the winter."

And, if we are bothering to give vaccines to kids, we might as well organise things so they get full benefit.

It would be less disruptive overall too, to have mitigations in place right now. That is why so many schools (including our senior one) are bringing them in.

& no, we didn't advise more mitigations in school because of no petrol

You missed the point there . The threads from teachers aren’t I’m sick they are I can’t get to work.

And masks in adults is different to children so not sure why that’s relevant.

We don’t need to delay for children. And most ways are not free nor inhibiting so need to be weighed up.

Of course masks for children is no different from adults. Children don't breathe differently, they serve exactly the same purpose, which is why they're being used widely throughout much of Europe and have been used effectively for years in Asian countries, even with young children.

Of course it is.

We can use masks for adult population for their benefit.

Children don’t benefit as a group we can stop implementing mitigations for adult population.

Im all for not isolating if contact at school/ work etc but I do think if its within a household then isolation should still happen as for many of us its impossible to isolate away from family members and as its a lot less isolating , a wage should be paid to cover time of work by goverment, unless the person is lucky enough to be able to wfh

The boosters are meant to be happening this month. As are the vaccinations for 12-15s.

So after this month, good to go??? Really?

Boosters aren't psychological.

But when does this argument end? If the older vulnerable need another booster and another, then when is the right time.

@duffeldaisy and @herecomesthsun stop it. You're talking too much sense here. Anyone would think you wanted schools to remain open and an actual covid policy to be implemented that would benefit school communities and their families.

I think it’s the last few standing wanting to impose measures

Most are happy with being back and it going better than many predicted on here

@duffeldaisy

Of course masks for children is no different from adults. Children don't breathe differently, they serve exactly the same purpose, which is why they're being used widely throughout much of Europe and have been used effectively for years in Asian countries, even with young children.

Yes but it does have a huge impact on mental health though.

The problem is though with data is that people read it differently. You are clearly seeing the stats on the awful deaths in the unders 19s as being huge numbers others think they are far smaller.#

Nothing comes without risk - not even these mitigations and it is a question of balance