Why is one jab good enough for kids but not adults?

[Whatdoyawannado]

If one jab is adequate for under 18s how is it not enough for over 18s?

@Peteycat

"Schools are our Achilles heel with a correlation between term time and case rates that is hard to deny. If we are to move forward we have to address the issue somehow and vaccinating 12-15 seems logical in the context of ‘vaccination slows spread’. Allegedly, even though it’s not been the case yet for adults."

So you openly say that it's not been the case yet for adults, but you still think vaccinating teenagers is the answer?

Well, if it isn't doing such a great job in reducing transmission, why take the risk that has been published? The sensible thing to do is to wait.

I’m not advocating for or against child vaccination, My opinion is I think we should wait which is why I used ‘allegedly’. I’m also not a doctor or scientist so my opinion is just that, I’d prefer to wait and see how other countries that have vaccinated children are getting on but I’m also not a parent so again, what I think is irrelevant.

It’s a bold move which leads me to believe there’s a reason behind it.

What that real reason is remains to be seen.

"We have no other option except to give the children the vaccine and hope it has an effect on spread in schools. Their natural immune response should be robust enough without vaccines however if Long Covid is a credible risk perhaps one dose is enough to counteract their chances of them suffering with that."

I’m not advocating for or against child vaccination, My opinion is I think we should wait which is why I used ‘allegedly’.

Look at what you wrote previously on this thread! 'We have no other option' please, stop with the gaslighting.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Do you even know what your opinion is?

the more I come to believe that this is no longer about controlling a virus; it's about controlling the people.

How do the government gain control from rolling out a vaccine unnecessarily? What do they actually tangibly gain from this? @IncredulousOne

The risks to teenagers from two doses of the vaccine are higher than the risk of serious illness/death from Covid. The reverse is true for adults, especially older adults.

@Thewiseoneincognito

"We have no other option except to give the children the vaccine and hope it has an effect on spread in schools. Their natural immune response should be robust enough without vaccines however if Long Covid is a credible risk perhaps one dose is enough to counteract their chances of them suffering with that."

I’m not advocating for or against child vaccination, My opinion is I think we should wait which is why I used ‘allegedly’.

Just to clarify, those were both your comments on this thread. Totally different.

@ollyollyoxenfree

the more I come to believe that this is no longer about controlling a virus; it's about controlling the people.

How do the government gain control from rolling out a vaccine unnecessarily? What do they actually tangibly gain from this? @IncredulousOne

They get to introduce vaccine passports on the back of the rollout.

These can then be used to restrict overseas travel, entry to public gatherings, etc. And I'm sure they'll think up more uses for them as time goes on.

@Ollyollyoxenfree

Can you not see that this is a deeply concerning issue around vaccine passports, people will not and do not want to be controlled via an app. The government do gain from it because they can in the future then impose other rules.

@IncredulousOne

Because like almost every other response to the pandemic so far, they haven't got a clue and are making it up as they go along.

Of course it is but how on earth would be be anything otherwise? The opposite to makin got up as you go along is making a plan and sticking to it. How can you do that when dealing with 70 million different people in different circumstances with something as unpredictable as a new virus? Don’t get my wrong - this government have been shut beyond belief at times but I don’t see how anyone on the planet can do anything except ‘make it up as they go along!?’ It’s literally the only thing you can do

[quote Peteycat]@Ollyollyoxenfree

Can you not see that this is a deeply concerning issue around vaccine passports, people will not and do not want to be controlled via an app. The government do gain from it because they can in the future then impose other rules.[/quote]
That would actually require some clever thinking though. I don’t think this government would have a clue what ‘other rules’ to impose even if they had that chance.

[quote Peteycat]@Thewiseoneincognito

"We have no other option except to give the children the vaccine and hope it has an effect on spread in schools. Their natural immune response should be robust enough without vaccines however if Long Covid is a credible risk perhaps one dose is enough to counteract their chances of them suffering with that."

I’m not advocating for or against child vaccination, My opinion is I think we should wait which is why I used ‘allegedly’.

Just to clarify, those were both your comments on this thread. Totally different.[/quote]
Indeed they’re both my comments, I stand by each of them because when you read the context of the conversation and don’t cherry pick points, it’s not contradictory.

There is no other option apart from vaccination if we are to curb the spread without closing schools, shrinking class sizes or adopting reduced timetables. That’s where we are right now.

Children are Covid vectors, vaccination is our only tool to try to limit that, whether it works or not remains to be seen but if the government is to steadfastly stand by their belief that vaccination reduces transmission then it’s only logical they would use it with the biggest group of transmission vectors.

We should wait but they won’t and there’s not a lot we can do about that.

@Thewiseoneincognito yes there is? Don’t agree for your child to have it?

@MrsSkylerWhite

I have no idea. Thankfully, lots of clever professionals in the field do so that works for me.

@MrsSkylerWhite - I was about to say the same thing!

"12:47Silverswirl

@Thewiseoneincognito yes there is? Don’t agree for your child to have it?"

I think @Thewiseoneincognito doesn't have children I'm sure that's what she said earlier.

"
MrsSkylerWhite

I have no idea. Thankfully, lots of clever professionals in the field do so that works for me.

@MrsSkylerWhite - I was about to say the same thing!"

The clever professionals can't agree.

@IncredulousOne

Because like almost every other response to the pandemic so far, they haven't got a clue and are making it up as they go along.

I agree too. It's a joke.

[quote Silverswirl]@Thewiseoneincognito yes there is? Don’t agree for your child to have it?[/quote]
Of course you don’t have to agree to your child having it, but look where WE adults are now with the vaxxed and unvaxxed arguments and how polarised it has become. If the uptake is not high enough to have any effect then what lengths would the government go to in ensuring your child is vaccinated?

How will this translate into the school yard? Do comments like ‘ewwww she’s not vaccinated stay away’ or ‘errrr he’s got a cough because he’s a dirty unvaccinated #*@£’ ring any bells?

It’s not as simple as saying don’t have it when it carries so many connotations within society.

"It’s not as simple as saying don’t have it when it carries so many connotations within society."

When it boils down to risks for children, yes it definitely is that simple to say don't have it. Societal connotations can kiss my ass if children are at risk of harm from this vaccine.

We should wait but they won’t and there’s not a lot we can do about that.

Well you can refuse consent.
I thnk people forget children's bodies are different to adults. They have far far more red bone marrow where all our cells are produced, including the immune cells so naturally they can produce many more immune cells much quicker than adults hence why they fight off infections much quicker than us. I don't think children need the vaccine at all at the moment.
I also thought recent studies had showed that the vaccinated are just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated so another reason not to vaccinate children as reducing spread is the only reason to do so.

@Thewiseoneincognito cases are falling. 50-70% of teens are thought to have immunity. I don’t think that spread in schools is the same issue that it was last term.

Children are Covid vectors, vaccination is our only tool to try to limit that, whether it works or not remains to be seen but if the government is to steadfastly stand by their belief that vaccination reduces transmission then it’s only logical they would use it with the biggest group of transmission vectors.

Children are not covid vectors or transmission vectors, they’re children - some of whom catch Covid from other children or adults and some of whom pass that infection on to other children or adults, but at a lower rate than adults do.

This dehumanising stuff is why I have to put up with people being rude to my 3 year old for daring to exist and not wear a mask.

@Thewiseoneincognito

"Children are Covid vectors, vaccination is our only tool to try to limit that, whether it works or not remains to be seen but if the government is to steadfastly stand by their belief that vaccination reduces transmission then it’s only logical they would use it with the biggest group of transmission vectors."

Demonising and weaponising children to suit your own agenda because you are frightened of a virus is despicable. They are not covid vectors, how dare you constantly drone on and on about children. Leave them alone.

I think because the whole situation is a shambles, the data and information is confusing. Experts are disagreeing. My opinion is that the whole thing is a mess, no one knows what they are doing with it.

You've summed it up for me there @Peteycat

There I was feeling confused, thinking it was just me. But you're right - I'm trying to read as much and listen and watch and understand. And I can't because all the so called experts don't understand what's going on either. It is a shambles.

@RobinPenguins

Children are Covid vectors, vaccination is our only tool to try to limit that, whether it works or not remains to be seen but if the government is to steadfastly stand by their belief that vaccination reduces transmission then it’s only logical they would use it with the biggest group of transmission vectors.

Children are not covid vectors or transmission vectors, they’re children - some of whom catch Covid from other children or adults and some of whom pass that infection on to other children or adults, but at a lower rate than adults do.

This dehumanising stuff is why I have to put up with people being rude to my 3 year old for daring to exist and not wear a mask.

Blimey, where do you live that 3 year olds are in masks?