Antivaxxers targeting kids and schools with harassment and abuse

[noblegiraffe]

With the announcement that the covid vaccination will be offered to all 12-15 year olds in schools in the coming weeks, schools and children are increasingly been targeted by people who disagree with this decision.

We have: protesters approaching kids in the streets and forcing a school to lockdown (as well as reports on MN of protests outside schools and protesters coming on site to leaflet staff cars)
www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/anti-vax-protesters-descend-christleton-21558684

Headteachers reporting legal threats to their school if vaccinations go ahead www.bbc.com/news/education-58556614.amp

Hit piece in the Daily Mail claiming that kids are being vaccinated to protect teachers who have done nothing all year (as if the govt gives a shit about teachers and would lift a finger for them that wasn’t the middle one) www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9990599/Why-jabbing-millions-kids-no-risk-Covid-simply-teachers-work.html

And I can only see it getting worse as the vaccinations get closer.

1. this decision is nothing to do with schools who really would rather have nothing to do with it. Teachers won’t be vaccinating your kids, we’ve got our own jobs to do. We won’t be coercing them or jabbing them behind your back, we won’t know which kids get the jab or not. It is nothing to do with us, leave us out of it.

2. Anyone targeting kids with banners, protests, intimidating them as they walk to school or approaching them on the street cannot claim to care about kids. They should stay the fuck away from them.

I can't believe that harassing other people's children under the age of 18 outside a school is legal.

There is something wrong with the legal system in the UK if this is legal to do.

If you don't want your own DC vaccinated, fine, don't get your DC vaccinated.

Trying to stop other people's children getting a beneficial and licensed vaccine is pure evil, at the very least it is a sign of huge ignorance to believe that you know more than every expert in every country.

Wow. Video of Piers Corbyn and others harassing teachers and foisting leaflets on kids. twitter.com/urban_pictures/status/1440000701892018176?s=21

Despicable people.

@user130435

I can't believe that harassing other people's children under the age of 18 outside a school is legal.

There is something wrong with the legal system in the UK if this is legal to do.

If you don't want your own DC vaccinated, fine, don't get your DC vaccinated.

Trying to stop other people's children getting a beneficial and licensed vaccine is pure evil, at the very least it is a sign of huge ignorance to believe that you know more than every expert in every country.

No no no. You don't understand their argument. Their argument isn't that they "know more" - quite the opposite. They're saying that it isn't being explained properly and that the so-called "experts" are bought-and-paid-for advertisers.

That may seem a radical position, but it's an honest position. And after all, when was the last time any of us were shown the list of side effects provided by the manufacturer?

I've had many, many vaccines in my life. I'm not dead. I don't seem to be retarded (I think). I really like the idea of vaccines - put an attenuated virus into the body along with a powerful toxin to provoke an immune reaction, which then recognises and remembers the virus. It's pretty solid.

Vaccination isn't the problem. Government health policy is the problem. If GPs were prepared to sign a document accepting full liability in the event of injury, the problem would go away. If vaccine manufacturers were prepared to accept full liability in the event of injury, the problem would go away.

GPs and manufacturers are not prepared to trust their own medication. That's the problem. Until the naysayers here recognise the innate contradiction in this, they will fail to recognise the motivation of those protesting and will continue to appear desperately uninformed and, dare I say, propagandised on the issue.

Just to restate: I'm in favour or vaccines and informed consent, but against mandates and government misformation.

Those of you who are saying that it should be up to the parent(s) whether a child is vaccinated, are you suggesting that if a child doesn’t want the jab, they should be jabbed against their will in the event that their parents want them to have it?

They're saying that it isn't being explained properly and that the so-called "experts" are bought-and-paid-for advertisers

They also say stuff like it makes you magnetic, that nurses who administer the vaccine should be hanged and that you're better off taking horse dewormer.

They're not the best at forming coherent arguments are they, the likes of the ones in the video I just posted targeting children?

I don't want them near my child.

@borntobequiet

The thing is they let other political groups into schools now others are targeting them.

What other political groups?

At a guess, Stonewall?

I don’t think Piers Corbyn is out handing antivax leaflets to kids outside schools because of a Stonewall assembly. He’d be doing it anyway, wouldn’t he?

@noblegiraffe

They're saying that it isn't being explained properly and that the so-called "experts" are bought-and-paid-for advertisers

They also say stuff like it makes you magnetic, that nurses who administer the vaccine should be hanged and that you're better off taking horse dewormer.

They're not the best at forming coherent arguments are they, the likes of the ones in the video I just posted targeting children?

I don't want them near my child.

Is your position so weak that rather than responding to the points I actually raised, you have to dredge up every fallacious conspiracy theory you've ever heard and portray that as the de facto "antivaxxer" stance? Strawman.

Some provaxxers say and believe absolute unmitigated nonsense too, such as that these vaccines are "completely safe and effective" as well as "fully tested", and I don't want them anywhere near my children. They're the kind of people who would drink paint if they saw someone else doing it.

I mean, that's only reasonable, isn't it?

I really can't be bothered with the lunatics on either side of this farcical debate. Does it make you magnetic? Probably not. Are children going to have the full range of side effects explained to them? Probably not.

Doctors, nurses and manufacturers should openly accept full responsibility for any injuries incurred as a result of public vaccination programmes. It's such an obvious, easy solution to this mess.

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In particular I don’t want Piers Corbyn near my kid as in the video I posted because he believes exactly the sorts of things I just raised.

Do you think that people who do flog bonkers theories should be outside schools harassing kids?

Do you think that people should be outside schools harassing kids even if their theories are not bonkers?

I don’t want anyone outside schools harassing kids. Do you?

I'm also concerned about the filming of students without permission. On the Twitter thread they are pixelated but they aren't on Facebook. We have a small number of children at school who cannot have their picture taken and published for their own safety. If certain people were to see them on a video like this which clearly shows which school they go to that could put them in danger. I know of a child who had to move school because someone who shouldn't found out which school they went to, imagine how disruptive that is for a child!

Just as I don't believe I have ever really seen too many pro abortion people actually outside clinics (seen protests but not people forcing woman to have abortions or telling them they are the best thing ever), I have never seen pro vaxx demonstrations as it goes bot... it's not a thing.

I've said this before but people who behave like this have controlling personalities. It's the same with trying to force people not to get vaccines, it's the same as trying to make someone not have an abortion.

Yes, I agree plus high degrees of sociopathy and narcissism according to various studies.

I quite frankly think that Dan Wooton needs to do one!
I work in education as a LSA and its been the worst year of my life.
We have worked continually through it with Key workers children and then producing resources at home for the kids that could'nt come in. All whilst being paid an absolute pittance!

@VanGoSunflowers

I don’t get it. Don’t agree with the vaccine? Then don’t get it. Why target others?

I agree. I think the anti-vaxxers are upset that they will be excluded from restaurants, theatres and other venues because they won't be able to show a vaccination passport. While the vaccine may not be 100% effective, it gives us a better chance of surviving this.

In British Columbia, the anti-vaxxers have entered schools and blocked emergency access areas in hospitals. They don't care people aren't able to get into the hospitals and they're not afraid to scare and endanger children at schools. The last time I checked, 87% of Covid patients in British Columbia hospitals were not vaccinated and hospitals are having to cancel needed operations because they are too inundated with Covid patients. In one hospital, people needing emergency care couldn't even get into emergency. They were lined up in the hallway with only 1 nurse to care for them.

Not wanting the vaccination is up to the individual but they need to accept the outcome of their decision rather than protesting and if you are against the vaccination then you should stay home when you get Covid.

I agree. I think the anti-vaxxers are upset that they will be excluded from restaurants, theatres and other venues because they won't be able to show a vaccination passport.

VinylCafe I thought the vaccine passport idea had been scrapped in England? It's hard to keep up, but I thought that was the last announcement.

I should clarify. I mean the vaccine passport for venues in England.

lol

"Asked about anti-vax campaigners, Whitty says they represents a “tiny fraction” of the population. He says when people are seeking health advice, they should take advice from people who are “knowledgable, logical and kind”. He says from what he has seen of the anti-vaxxers’ material, they don’t have any of these three qualities."

He's right about that. This gem turned up at the weekend on fb on a discussion about Covid vaccines.

Those of you who are saying that it should be up to the parent(s) whether a child is vaccinated, are you suggesting that if a child doesn’t want the jab, they should be jabbed against their will in the event that their parents want them to have it?

Yes.

Why is it any different to other jabs?

Pretty sure most 3 and 4 year olds don't fancy their preschool booster but most of us would drag them kicking and screaming to get it and pin them down for it, if necessary. I know I had to with my youngest whilst he screamed and thrashed. And I had that right, as parent.

I don't think anyone is going to hold down a Gillick competent teenager and vaccinate them though.

@knittingaddict

I agree. I think the anti-vaxxers are upset that they will be excluded from restaurants, theatres and other venues because they won't be able to show a vaccination passport.

VinylCafe I thought the vaccine passport idea had been scrapped in England? It's hard to keep up, but I thought that was the last announcement.

Ahh, maybe. I'm in Canada and it's still happening.

No no no. You don't understand their argument. Their argument isn't that they "know more" - quite the opposite. They're saying that it isn't being explained properly and that the so-called "experts" are bought-and-paid-for advertisers

You’re naive in the extreme if you think the people leading campaigns against vaccines and mitigations aren’t making money. There’s a lot of money in catering to the defiant and oppositional.

David Icke, Alex Jones et al have provided a clear blueprint in making money out of getting people to accept theories as fact regardless of evidence available.

I had not read about this before and I am well in shock!
Neither the schools or the children have any say at all on the vaccination policy!
And here we go, another (I have to say, unforseen) reason for a summer vaccination program to actually have suited this age gap children better.
Who in their healthy mind would go around schools bothering children? Now we are going to need police around schools and all!

As much as you might not be trying to persuade them to have the vaccine it's not true of all teachers. Dd 15 has just received detention for arguing with her teacher about the vaccine after he tried to push it and sell it as something that comes with perks and tried to tell them they should have it. Unfortunately for him more than half the class were not impressed at his tactics resulting in a rather unhealthy debate and detention for the ones that spoke up. This isn't the first time it's happened in her school, the same teacher along with a few others tried to influence the children to think that if their parents voted for brexit they were racist, for the record I voted remain but still don't believe there's any place for this in the classroom. Usually I back the teachers and would tell my daughter to suck it up and take the detention for being cheeky but not this time, there's a line the school has crossed and I won't have a teacher with no qualifications in medicine telling my child what she should do for her health when the actual experts (JCVI) have provided enough information to make an informed decision.