Antivaxxers targeting kids and schools with harassment and abuse

[noblegiraffe]

With the announcement that the covid vaccination will be offered to all 12-15 year olds in schools in the coming weeks, schools and children are increasingly been targeted by people who disagree with this decision.

We have: protesters approaching kids in the streets and forcing a school to lockdown (as well as reports on MN of protests outside schools and protesters coming on site to leaflet staff cars)
www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/anti-vax-protesters-descend-christleton-21558684

Headteachers reporting legal threats to their school if vaccinations go ahead www.bbc.com/news/education-58556614.amp

Hit piece in the Daily Mail claiming that kids are being vaccinated to protect teachers who have done nothing all year (as if the govt gives a shit about teachers and would lift a finger for them that wasn’t the middle one) www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9990599/Why-jabbing-millions-kids-no-risk-Covid-simply-teachers-work.html

And I can only see it getting worse as the vaccinations get closer.

1. this decision is nothing to do with schools who really would rather have nothing to do with it. Teachers won’t be vaccinating your kids, we’ve got our own jobs to do. We won’t be coercing them or jabbing them behind your back, we won’t know which kids get the jab or not. It is nothing to do with us, leave us out of it.

2. Anyone targeting kids with banners, protests, intimidating them as they walk to school or approaching them on the street cannot claim to care about kids. They should stay the fuck away from them.

Or maybe get parents to bring their kids to school that day and see how brave the wankers feel when faced with adults.

That’s what we will be doing. But I don’t work and my partner works from home so we can easily do that, it won’t be possible for everyone.

@madmomma

Don't you think it should be up to a child's parents though, whether to vaccinate their child? Until the child is 16. What concerns me is not the vaccine, but the circumnavigation of parental consent. What other medical procedures will children be offered without parental consent? And I am not an antivaxxer before anyone says that. I'm vaccinated and may well choose to vaccinate my children, but I feel extremely uncomfortable with the responsibility of the choice put upon a child who is not developmentally ready to understand the issues at hand.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7604563/

It’s not really a circumnavigation. The government just stated the current legal position which does allow teens to be vaccinated without parental consent if they are deemed competent. It was rather unnecessary and unwise because in practice I doubt that many children will be vaccinated in a school without the consent form. It’s too much of a risk for the school, who will likely get the blame from the parents. I doubt that many flu or HPV jabs get given without the consent form either.

Don't you think it should be up to a child's parents though, whether to vaccinate their child? Until the child is 16.

Nope. The law is clear, a child deemed sufficiently capable, can make decisions about their own medical treatment. DD is 12 and can overrule us in any of her medical treatments to do with her disability. We’re comfortable with that because it is her body and she is the one who has to live with that.

I doubt that many flu or HPV jabs get given without the consent form either.

In P7, we forgot to put back the consent form. They asked her if she wanted the vaccine and she said yes.

possible that it happens more than i’d assumed. But if it happened a lot to parents who were anti-vax rather than who just hadn’t returned the form I’m sure there would be lots of DM sad face articles. Particularly about the HPV jab.

I already thought anti Vaxxers were a bit dim but now I think some of them are nasty.

That's awful.
Anti vaxers are complete idiots and spreading their rubbish around children is bad enough but threats mean they should be arrested and locked up.
Anti vaxers are vile. Most seem incredibly thick and some appear to have mental health issues. Even when faced with facts they still peddle their nonsense.

@noblegiraffe

With the announcement that the covid vaccination will be offered to all 12-15 year olds in schools in the coming weeks, schools and children are increasingly been targeted by people who disagree with this decision.

We have: protesters approaching kids in the streets and forcing a school to lockdown (as well as reports on MN of protests outside schools and protesters coming on site to leaflet staff cars)
www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/anti-vax-protesters-descend-christleton-21558684

Headteachers reporting legal threats to their school if vaccinations go ahead www.bbc.com/news/education-58556614.amp

Hit piece in the Daily Mail claiming that kids are being vaccinated to protect teachers who have done nothing all year (as if the govt gives a shit about teachers and would lift a finger for them that wasn’t the middle one) www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9990599/Why-jabbing-millions-kids-no-risk-Covid-simply-teachers-work.html

And I can only see it getting worse as the vaccinations get closer.

1. this decision is nothing to do with schools who really would rather have nothing to do with it. Teachers won’t be vaccinating your kids, we’ve got our own jobs to do. We won’t be coercing them or jabbing them behind your back, we won’t know which kids get the jab or not. It is nothing to do with us, leave us out of it.

2. Anyone targeting kids with banners, protests, intimidating them as they walk to school or approaching them on the street cannot claim to care about kids. They should stay the fuck away from them.

I suspected this might happen hence why said should not be done at school. Couple weeks ago eldest 15 met with her freinds to go covid test and vaccine skeptics stopped them in the street to talk about dangers and eldest said we not even allowed to vaccinate our age group yet why are you pestering young people

That Daily Mail piece is disgusting. What sort of journalist writes that.

The government are making this much worse by failing to properly quash the the concerns that children are going to be judged 'gillick competent' to over-rule their parents after a 30 second chat with a total stranger, with all their friends listening in, and in a setting where they are constantly told not to question authority.

Doesn't excuse those people gathering outside schools though - they're idiots.

The way that these types of anti vaxxers behave is fast becoming a type of terrorism.

@MLMbotsno

That Daily Mail piece is disgusting. What sort of journalist writes that.

Yep, the DM really hates teachers but they’ve gone all-out on that one to tick so many boxes.

It’s nothing that hasn’t been posted on MN by people on the wind-up but you’d hope that journalists weren’t just flat-out trolls.

I really pity any anti vaxxer that tries to argue with my son at the school gates, they will get an earful from him

Daily mail piece is disgusting. Still, if you throw enough mud, some of it sticks (e.g. Pearson, Kingsley). I hope they come down like a ton of bricks on this anti vax lot for targeting kids. Despicable.

There is something seriously wrong with them. Some are crazy or possessed and some are sinister.

They are seriously deluded bonkers check this out for nuts and all the comments under the video.

A karmic level!

It's a bonkers new age religion where they think they possess some profound enabling 'truth' into which they have 'awakened' and into which pick and mix styler self appointed nutters like Icke and others pickle until well done. Really they are lost souls and could get quite dangerous and nasty if we have to go through another lockdown. Social media could do a better job of excising this stuff but most of the proponents know how to at the game. Glad to see MN some time ago shut down the conspiracy threads though they let them fester for quite some time before they did.

@vera99

It's a bonkers new age religion where they think they possess some profound enabling 'truth' into which they have 'awakened' and into which pick and mix styler self appointed nutters like Icke and others pickle until well done. Really they are lost souls and could get quite dangerous and nasty if we have to go through another lockdown. Social media could do a better job of excising this stuff but most of the proponents know how to at the game. Glad to see MN some time ago shut down the conspiracy threads though they let them fester for quite some time before they did.

To be honest, judging by some of the post’s on mumsnet I’d say it’s like a new religion by both sides.

Although the nasty name calling does seem to be coming much more from people who have had the injections (on mumsnet anyway) then those who haven’t.

You're not seeing the stuff that's being deleted...

To be honest, judging by some of the post’s on mumsnet I’d say it’s like a new religion by both sides.

I would disagree. Either you believe in science or you don't.

@vera99

It's a bonkers new age religion where they think they possess some profound enabling 'truth' into which they have 'awakened' and into which pick and mix styler self appointed nutters like Icke and others pickle until well done. Really they are lost souls and could get quite dangerous and nasty if we have to go through another lockdown. Social media could do a better job of excising this stuff but most of the proponents know how to at the game. Glad to see MN some time ago shut down the conspiracy threads though they let them fester for quite some time before they did.

I agree, some of these people are verging on terrorists.

@noblegiraffe

Legally parental consent isn't necessary. The process that was outlined involved parents being contacted, a chat with a clinician and an attempt to arrive at a joint agreement between parent and child.

Realistically That's not going to happen in schools with 1000 kids lined up outside. I don't know why ministers keep talking about it when it's damaging the trust between parents and schools. They are wankers.

The first approach (clinician chats with parents) has been followed with other vaccines at my school, but even that didn’t lead to sticking needles into kids whose parents didn’t consent.

I once had a girl return to my class in tears after being refused the HPV jab because her parents didn’t consent. She told a member of staff she really wanted it, and the school nurse called home to explain the benefits of vaccination and ask for verbal consent. The parents said no, so she wasn’t vaccinated.

Even following that process, I think it’s very unlikely children will be vaccinated without parental consent.

If you don't want the vaccine for your dc and you are worried that your dc does want it (or you think peer pressure would bully them into having it) surely the obvious solution would be to keep your child off on variation day. It won't be a secret when it is!

That's really interesting, WyfofBathe, and would hopefully allay some fears!