BMJ: Teachers not at greater risk of hosp'n, and lower risk of severe disease, than general population

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www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2060?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

Unlike previous studies, this one actually looked at periods when schools were open and compared like-with-like for those periods.

Compared with adults of working age who are otherwise similar, teachers and their household members were not found to be at increased risk of hospital admission with covid-19 and were found to be at lower risk of severe covid-19. These findings should reassure those who are engaged in face-to-face teaching.

This should not be taken to mean that we should do schooling with no mitigations whatsoever--I'd be in favor of doing indoor masks for kids and teachers till the winter is over if it was up to me, and ventilation is always a good thing anyway. However, at least this should provide some reassurance for teachers and families. And in my opinion, this kind of thing should settle the argument on having any further school closures; mitigations are one thing, but schools absolutely must remain open IMO.

cantkeepawayforever

You have my sympathies.

I honest believe that people have no idea how bad it was in some (for the pedants) schools and how close to breaking the system really is.

Why is it okay for children to attend when there’s a positive case in their household? This is the one thing I just can’t get my head around!

@cantkeepawayforever

Fripp, we were down to, across the whole school, 1 adult per class + the receptionist running round to check that everyone was OK. Nothing else - all SEN children without the 1:1 they are legally entitled to, no head, no TAs, all lunchtime supervisors in all day.

It was scary.

My school has had periods of being very similar.

but I will point out that every person I saw in the vaccination centre was virtually wrapped in clingfilm and they were fiercely sticking to distancing protocols

'Sticking to distancing protocols' - when you're injecting someone in the arm . A bit tricky unless you happen to be built like Mr Tickle.

And by 'wrapped in cling film' do you mean paper masks? That we can't even use for many groups?

Social workers have been working from home and in my area, mostly still are

All of them? At all times?

Seriously, teachers are not unique in working with the unvaccinated as claimed by a PP. They are not the only ones who work with children, or the rest of the unvaccinated. And the ones who claim that is so, and that they are this special, ultra vulnerable group do the majority of teachers no favours whatsoever.

@somuchcoffeeneeded

Why is it okay for children to attend when there’s a positive case in their household? This is the one thing I just can’t get my head around!

This is the same for all school staff as well.

It is why we are just slightly concerned.

That's the thing though; most people (parents) have NO IDEA how near the knuckle schools are, as such a good job has been made of smiling and carrying on whilst hiding the chaos behind the scenes. Covid has whipped away the curtain and exposed the actualities of what happens when schools are starved of cash, year upon year. The dire situation with IT provision, for a start. All those parents baying for all-singing, all-dancing live lessons all day, every day didn't know or care that I don't have a school laptop. Anything and everything I provided from home was done at my own expense.

CallmeHendricks

As other posters are bringing up last year, we were told on threads that it was our duty to provide the equipment.

@ChloeDecker

But we can’t ever talk about shutting down education again an any level. It’s too damaging for society as a whole.

No one is talking about that as in, no one wants that to happen. You are straying into gaslighting territory here.

Gas lighting?! Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

That's the thing though; most people (parents) have NO IDEA how near the knuckle schools are, as such a good job has been made of smiling and carrying on whilst hiding the chaos behind the scenes.

I think that IS a way in which schools have been lying, systematically, to parents - we have all put our game faces on. We have all smiled and carried on, talked about how pleased we are were to be back in school, created as much joy and normality for children as we possibly can, replied 'Oh, I'm fine', to endless parental enquiries, danced and played with the children ....hidden the stress, the anxiety, at times the fear.

Any parent who saw me at school would say 'Oh, my teacher is fine, always really happy and positive, no sign of stress, really doing her best to keep it normal for the children, no distancing, smiles and hands on comfort for the children just as ever'. It's only on MN, and at home, that the flip side of hiding it all comes out.

So raising issues about education is GOOD, according to Achilles except when it's by me, then it's BAD.

Right.

Bizawit

Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

The myths, lies and bullshit are definitely coming back.

Gas lighting?! Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

Can you point me to an example where schools were shut due to union lobbying rather than because the Government decided to based on the progress of the pandemic and the advice of their medical advisors?

Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

😂 😂 😂 😂 biggest pile of horseshit yet.

They were shut because of rampant covid. The govt doesn't pay the slightest attention to the unions but they did have to pay attention to the spiralling death rate.

March lockdown: Government
January lockdown: Government

Which was the lockdown caused by union lobbying??

If you mean the one half day in January where schools opened but the Government were forced to announce school closures by mid-afternoon because of the spiralling case rate and death toll - 4 hours out of the entire pandemic???

4 hours compared with the weeks and months of government-mandated, medically-influenced lockdowns?

we have all put our game faces on. We have all smiled and carried on, talked about how pleased we are were to be back in school, created as much joy and normality for children as we possibly can, replied 'Oh, I'm fine', to endless parental enquiries, danced and played with the children ....hidden the stress, the anxiety, at times the fear

But surely that is the case, and expected behaviour in any professional role? And the majority of people wouldn't assume you are necessarily fine under the just because you are acting in the professional manner you are expected to?

@cantkeepawayforever

Gas lighting?! Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

Can you point me to an example where schools were shut due to union lobbying rather than because the Government decided to based on the progress of the pandemic and the advice of their medical advisors?

Ok so do you deny that the the unions were calling for school closures?

@noblegiraffe

Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions.

😂 😂 😂 😂 biggest pile of horseshit yet.

They were shut because of rampant covid. The govt doesn't pay the slightest attention to the unions but they did have to pay attention to the spiralling death rate.

You do realise that covid isn’t a sentient being with the capacity to make policy decisions like closing schools don’t you?

But surely that is the case, and expected behaviour in any professional role? And the majority of people wouldn't assume you are necessarily fine under the just because you are acting in the professional manner you are expected to?

Well, exactly.

But there are a very large number of posters on MN who respond to even slightly worried posts on MN with 'But MY teacher is SO HAPPY to be in school - she told me that herself this morning. You must HATE children and need to leave teaching because you are OBVIOUSLY damaging children' (I exaggerate slightly, but not much!)

I am glad if you think that the vast majority of parents recognise the game face for what it is - professional manner rather than true representation of feelings.

Lots of people were calling for school closures at various points, particularly over Christmas, Bizawit, but the idea that the govt closed anything because of the unions is incredibly dim.

"Gas lighting?! Schools have been shut for a substantial period during this pandemic because of the advocacy/ lobbying of the teachers’ unions."

Sorry, but this is a complete and utter load of bollocks.

Actually, I'm not sorry.

Bizawit

If you are so positive that this happened you should be able to find actual union documents and announcements saying this.

What you will find is that unions have said that schools should have preventative measures in place to prevent the spread of covid in schools and the wider community.

You do realise that covid isn’t a sentient being with the capacity to make policy decisions like closing schools don’t you?

Er, yes? What a bizarre question.

You do realise that covid isn’t a sentient being with the capacity to make policy decisions like closing schools don’t you?

You really had to reach for that one. And it shows.