Outbreak at work. Could’ve been avoided with isolation!!!

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Work colleague came in to work last week whilst her husband was at home, positive with Covid.

She was doing daily LFT’s and had been for a PCr test at the beginning of her husbands isolation.

Monday she was in work, Tuesday morning she got a positive LFT.

Yesterday 4 other colleagues have also had positive LFT’s.

Surely it’s got to have been spread by the lady who’s husband had Covid? Perhaps her LFT’s were just late in showing her positive?

I just cannot understand the logic behind not having to isolate when someone in your household is positive.

Thankfully I’m not affected by this as it’s in a different office to me!

For one thing it would probably go down as unauthorized attendance for their siblings as those are the rules now. It’s everywhere now. We have to accept that. We have to get on with it. My three year old has been of 5 times since Jan. That’s just one of my kids. Every time I have complied with the rules. Carried on pay my nursery feed so they don’t suffer despite no being paid myself. I am so utterly done with it all.

@glitterelf I've read the original legislation, the amendments and most of the schools guidance as well, yes. Please note I never said it was sensible, just clear in law...

As to why some people are still so woefully or wilfully misinformed, why do some people still smoke, why do some people still take drugs, why do some people still beat children?... That's a sociological question with a myriad of answers!

@HungryHippo11 I agree although when I suggested this on another thread I got slated! Surely it’s just common sense and an appropriate next step rather than a free for all.

@Savoretti
Well if it’s someone in their household then they should be isolating with them. People are not reading the rules properly

That's not correct, DS1 had Covid last week (PCR on Thursday). 18 year old DS2 had to self-isolate (only had his second jab the Monday before), DH and I didn't as double jabbed earlier. Incidentally DS1 was quite poorly with it, he has asthma and is two months past his second jab, but needed steroids and antibiotics. He's a fit and healthy running and rugby-playing 20 year old by the way.

Agree, OP, it’s so dangerous. A friend of mine is a hairdresser, husband tested positive but as she’s fully vaccinated she didn’t need to isolate - went to work, close contact with several clients, tested positive herself three days later. The policy is so unfair on the CEV, self-employed who’ve missed enough work, kids who’ve missed enough school. And all so easily avoidable without causing another pingdemic.

It's going to cause carnage in schools.

You don't have to isolate when awaiting the PCR results you are advised to take if identified as a contact (in Wales anyway). You're also encouraged to use common sense and have a conversation with your boss about the situation.

It's just madness. I can't get my head around it. Why? Just why?

It is crazy. I have Covid currently and my husband has to isolate because he only had his second jab 13 days ago. If it had been 14+ days since his second jab, then he wouldn't need to. There's no logic in it, especially when vaccination doesn't mean you won't catch covid!!

Our profession has sent out a bulletin that you must not come to work if a member of your household tests positive. They can't afford an outbreak.

It's mad. I got a positive lateral flow last night, PCR this morning. Technically my DS could go to school today (Scotland) because he's no symptoms and is under 18, but that seems like a recipe for disaster. We all (there are 5 of us) are getting PCRs this morning but even if everyone else is negative they can just go out and about to work and school and nursery even though I am positive, it's bonkers!

We are currently in this position.
Dh positive he is double jabbed.
Our ds16 and myself double jabbed. Ds is cv. Our dd13 so the rest of us don't have to isolate also confirmed by test and trace.
We are isolating anyway. Our holiday plans are cancelled.
I didn't book us all in for pcr's. We are doing daily lft. Any sign of any illness I will book pcr straight away.

School doesn't start for another week and half for us and dh's isolation will be over before then.
Not sure what I would have done if it did overlap with school. I would have spoken to both schools and asked what attendance would go down as and if they supported my decision of no school. So that would influence my decision to if I would send them in or not unfortunately.

The change in isolation rules is madness, and the messaging has been utterly woeful. I think the government had a plan for exiting out of the pandemic that they have not adjusted or deviated from to take into account the fact that Delta is so much more transmissible and so the fact you are vaccinated does not stop you getting it or passing it on. It’s a stubborn and irresponsible refusal on their part to ‘follow the science’.

Is school allowed to have a discretion to give choice to parents to keep children home if someone in the household tested positive, or their hands are tied?
I don't think it's going the way people against all mitigation and school to be totally normal wanted. It will be a massive disruption until everyone catches it eventually.

@CommanderBurnham

Our profession has sent out a bulletin that you must not come to work if a member of your household tests positive. They can't afford an outbreak.

Can I ask which profession that is?

I think schools will be a mess in a couple of weeks.

It’s the families containing vulnerable people that worries me. I could have my entire household very ill with covid and I would still have to come to school and teach. I will be teaching every class in the school within a week. I can’t think for a minute that my HT will tell any parents about my home situation so they will be sending their kids in to me totally unaware.

What’s worse is that if mine are ill, it’ll be my 80 year olds parents who will offer to look after them whilst I work, as otherwise I will be unpaid.

@illuyankas

Is school allowed to have a discretion to give choice to parents to keep children home if someone in the household tested positive, or their hands are tied? I don't think it's going the way people against all mitigation and school to be totally normal wanted. It will be a massive disruption until everyone catches it eventually.

No, in fact the opposite.

The DfE are hiring additional staff to crack down on pupil attendance …

www.tes.com/news/dfe-hires-attendance-advisers-cut-school-absence-covid?fbclid=IwAR3z1imMk17fnIcp3aKcFrJEvq19RS7DG4s01vWaE8kBJWPOaP6CgxxfBPw

My DS tested positive last week.
I’m double jabbed, did LFT every day & went to work.
I contacted my clients to give them the option to cancel- 50% did so I had to take the financial hit. It’s a hit that I couldn’t but had to take.

@mistermagpie wouldn't your ds also need a negative PCR before going to school? I thought that was the rule in Scotland, but have just googled to find it and can't!

Sorry, have just realised you don't have a positive case confirmed yet (and I hope you will turn out to be negative!)

DH is positive due to a similar situation at work OP, now 5 people at his workplace have got it and it has spread to their family members. I am WFH while he isolating although no requirement to isolate as testing negative because I do not want to risk making my colleagues ill. The fault lies mainly with the employers for saying employees must be present when they are a risk to others.

[quote Mistressiggi]@mistermagpie wouldn't your ds also need a negative PCR before going to school? I thought that was the rule in Scotland, but have just googled to find it and can't![/quote]
To be honest I don't actually know! I also googled it and couldn't find out a straight answer (although it was late last night and I'm feeling like crap so my brain might not have been in gear!) but we're getting him one anyway. The thing is, even if all their tests are negative it doesn't mean they are not going to get it, have it and spread it. That's what worries me, if my DH gets a negative test he could technically go to the football on Sunday (he won't), it seems insane.

I expect my test will be positive, I have symptoms and got a positive lateral flow.

I do understand the guidance however I'm also able to apply common sense so if someone in my household tested positive we would isolate.

I am able to apply common sense. However, I am unable to act on it because, as a teacher, I am required in school, in close contact with 33 other families and occasional contact with several hundred via assemblies etc. I don’t think the MN collective would be supportive of my absence.... “My children are at home because their selfish class teacher refused to come into school to teach them even though the guidance said she should - she would only ever get a mild cold anyway, it’s a ridiculous over-reaction.”

I think basically it’s gotten to the point where some people have constantly been isolating especially some children in schools, so it’s got to stop somewhere, as they’re missing too much education, the idea seems that now the majority of vulnerable people are double jabbed, it doesn’t matter so much if it spreads, and they’re less likely to get really really poorly or die with it. I’m not saying it’s right at all, myself and 4 children all had it last month. My daughter caught it at preschool and spread it to us at home, the children all just basically had a cold for a couple of day. I (was only single jabbed at the time) had terrible headache for 3/4 days and the lost sense of taste a smell for a week. Somehow my husband who was also single jabbed didn’t catch it from us. Obviously with the rules then we all isolated, does seem very odd that now we wouldn’t have to. Also seems strange that the rules say you should get a pcr not you must get a pcr….since there’s lots of people who have no symptoms at all. We’ve not heard from school yet regarding it, but I’d imagine they’ll be strongly advising children to have a pcr, if someone in their household tests positive, before they return. At least I hope that the case.

The fault lies mainly with the employers for saying employees must be present when they are a risk to others

It’s not the employers, it’s the government.

If the government say people must go to work if they live with someone with covid, my boss will expect me in because they cannot claim on the insurance to enable them to pay the money for a supply teacher to cover me. Who will teach my class?