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Boardmasters Festival - superspreader event!

305 replies

ineedaholidaynow · 23/08/2021 10:51

Did anyone go to this festival and not come down with COVID! Every local youngster who went to it seems to have contracted COVID, and I see it keeps getting mentioned on MN, and all posters can't be referring to the same youngsters.

Have other festivals been the same?

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Watapalava · 24/08/2021 22:02

Nursing home nhs staff may have to isolate (not all) but hospital staff defo do not

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 22:05

"Covid is here to stay" implies different things to different people, though, doesn't it?

'Covid is here to stay' means that the pressure on the NHS isn't going to ease, so what are we going to do about the overworked staff, the creakuing infrastructure and the lengthening waiting lists? Are we going to invest and receruit more, or are we going to accept a range of mitigations that reduce the number of covid patients coming into hospitals and the number of staff who have to isolate to avoid infecting vulnerable patients?

'Covid is here to stay' means that settings where large numbers of unvaccinated people meet at very close quarters - like schools - will have very high infection rates, and this has an implication for those who work with or live with these people, as delta also infects a proportion of the vaccinated. This will mean some classes do not have their own teacher for weeks at a time, and some children miss school for weeks at a time. The impact on education of children could be lessened through some mitigations, but there is a compromise in terms of e.g. 'thermal comfort' and what a school's budget can be spent on.

'Covid is here to stay' for others means 'we just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening'.

herecomesthsun · 24/08/2021 22:06

well put

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 22:06

@Bryonyshcmyony

Yes train and employ more NHS staff. The whole system is almost not fit for purpose now anyway.
I am entirely happy for my taxes to be higher for this specific purpose - are you?
Bryonyshcmyony · 24/08/2021 22:08

I am a massive fan of tax rises across the board actually and would vote for any party who would commit to do this.

Angrymum22 · 24/08/2021 22:17

DS went to Boardmasters, he came back with Covid. He had had his second vaccine a week before and so not fully protected. His girlfriend didn’t test positive but had ‘cold’ as did many of the group they were with.
I drove them home, spent 6 hrs in the car with them. I have had no problems so my Covid ( in Feb2020) plus double vaccine status seems to be working.
Im actually happy he has had Covid as well as vaccine I think it gives a much better resistance. I think the Delta variant is the first variant to cause significant infections in under 25s they seem to have been pretty immune to earlier variants. There are drawbacks to lockdown and shielding, your immune system gets lazy.

NannyAndJohn · 24/08/2021 22:21

Well I'm sorry to hear that, but it didn't break any laws/rules, so noone should feel guilty.

Our government bloody well should.

Letting the NHS become overwhelmed (again) just so some teenagers can have a piss up.

NannyAndJohn · 24/08/2021 22:22

@cantkeepawayforever

"Covid is here to stay" implies different things to different people, though, doesn't it?

'Covid is here to stay' means that the pressure on the NHS isn't going to ease, so what are we going to do about the overworked staff, the creakuing infrastructure and the lengthening waiting lists? Are we going to invest and receruit more, or are we going to accept a range of mitigations that reduce the number of covid patients coming into hospitals and the number of staff who have to isolate to avoid infecting vulnerable patients?

'Covid is here to stay' means that settings where large numbers of unvaccinated people meet at very close quarters - like schools - will have very high infection rates, and this has an implication for those who work with or live with these people, as delta also infects a proportion of the vaccinated. This will mean some classes do not have their own teacher for weeks at a time, and some children miss school for weeks at a time. The impact on education of children could be lessened through some mitigations, but there is a compromise in terms of e.g. 'thermal comfort' and what a school's budget can be spent on.

'Covid is here to stay' for others means 'we just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening'.

Bingo.

I sincerely hope that the "let it rip" mob don't need to use the NHS during the next few years.

Bryonyshcmyony · 24/08/2021 22:23

@NannyAndJohn

Well I'm sorry to hear that, but it didn't break any laws/rules, so noone should feel guilty.

Our government bloody well should.

Letting the NHS become overwhelmed (again) just so some teenagers can have a piss up.

Is the NHS overwhelmed? Or two hospitals very busy? I'm glad teenagers have got to have a piss up.
DumplingsAndStew · 24/08/2021 22:26

@Bryonyshcmyony

Yes train and employ more NHS staff. The whole system is almost not fit for purpose now anyway.
I'll get right on to that tomorrow.
Hellotoallmyfans · 24/08/2021 22:31

Letting the NHS become overwhelmed (again) just so some teenagers can have a piss up.

What a horrible attitude. Let me guess, you don't have anyone who loves you? You sound utterly, utterly miserable.

I can't even take you seriously - I think you must be on a windup! I'm so glad I don't know anyone like you in real life.

BungleandGeorge · 24/08/2021 22:33

Where are people getting these ‘hospital figures’ from, I didn’t think trusts released these to the public on an ongoing basis?

toomuchlaundry · 24/08/2021 22:33

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4331513-To-ask-why-the-NHS-is-cancelling-operations

A number of comments on this thread from NHS staff saying how tough it is in hospitals at the moment, with the impact of COVID still being felt in many ways

toomuchlaundry · 24/08/2021 22:35

@DumplingsAndStew comments like training more staff and build new hospitals, are like the comments schools used to get about why weren't new classrooms being built and more teachers recruited immediately to help with social distancing

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 22:35

My impression is that the NHS is not currently 'overwhelmed' - in the sense of many more people than usual dying in corridors or in ambulances because they simply cannot get into emergency beds.

However, it is working above the capacity of the staff it has available (ambulance service too, Army is helping out in several regions) at a time of year when it would usually expect to be quieter, and there is no capacity to catch up the ever-lengthening waiting list.

So is it 'suddenly overwhelmed, as if by a tidal wave'? No. Is it really struggling in the face of rising flood waters and weakening barricades? Yes.

Is it reasonable, in that case, to choose to add to the flood waters? Each drop - each event, each reduced mitigation - adds to the water level, so we do, i think, either have to reduce the amount of water - new patients - flowing in OR shore up the defences with significant extra staffing and resources. The former is much quicker.

PaulGallico · 24/08/2021 22:38

@NannyAndJohn - I am quite sure he/she is on a wind up - not just this thread but every thread to which he/she contributes. It is a sad, nasty thing to say.

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 22:38

[quote toomuchlaundry]@DumplingsAndStew comments like training more staff and build new hospitals, are like the comments schools used to get about why weren't new classrooms being built and more teachers recruited immediately to help with social distancing[/quote]
Exactly this.

The things that are pouring more patients into hospitals while reducing available staff and beds are happening now, and so the mitigations would equally have to be something short term.

We ought to be addressing the long term things at the same time, but they aren't the solution to the current problem.

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 22:48

To be fair, there are extreme posters on both sides of this debate - those who scoff at those with concerns on all threads, and those who focus on the concerns on all threads. Both, or neither, may be posting specifically to wind others up.

Backofbeyond50 · 24/08/2021 22:57

@Watapalava I thought NHS staff didn't have to isolate either but on another thread..

My db (nhs worker) is currently isolating for ten days because someone he lives with has tested positive. Loads of hospital staff off even though they don't have it. They will do away with testing soon probably - it's causing more problems than it's solving.
Someone on the covid board mentioned it would be very interesting to see how many people test in public v private sector. Don't underestimate how many people out there will be thoroughly enjoying their fully paid time at home (my db included)

I am a doctor currently at home because Dd & DH are positive. It is a fucking nightmare; organising multiple PCR tests, cooking for everyone (Covids banned from kitchen) cleaning and trying to conduct virtual consultations in a vaguely professional manner, call in to teams meetings, you get the picture. I would 3000X rather be in the hospital doing my job (which I happen to love) well. I find your post offensive especially given the last 18 months. I know noone in the NHS who hasn't given it their all and isn't still trying to do their best for

Shallwegoforawalk · 24/08/2021 23:13

@marieantoinehairnet

Honestly, I am reading this with open mouth, Watapalava clearly has no idea how bad the infrastructure is in Cornwall, it's on it's starting on a good day, let alone with the tourist influx and a super spreading event.

I do think those who baste Nanny for her negativity must actually have little to lose or fear, if your foot was in the shoe of someone vulnerable you may well have a very different outlook...

I have an elderly parent that I've worked very hard to protect. And vulnerable people associated with my work role. I still think that poster is a catastrophiser who has been screaming "we are all doooooooomed" on here for months now. All they do is post negative stuff on CV threads. Absolutely 🦇 💩

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 23:17

@Backofbeyond50

As I posted earlier, official NHS guidance is isolation for household contacts unless with express senior permission:

www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/08/C1381-Updated-guidance-on-NHS-staff-and-student-self-isolation-return-to-work-following-COVID-contact.pdf

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2021 23:22

All they do is post negative stuff on CV threads.

The thing is - and I have no intention of being an apologiost for anyone at either end of the Covid risk spectrum - there are also posters who do nothing but post positive stuff / stuff that denigrates those who are still cautious on Covid threads.

Posters at both ends - and in the middle - are all capable of posting selective, extreme, wrong and misinterpreted data.

steppemum · 24/08/2021 23:25

A quick google suggests Boardmasters tickets are about £200. Then you've got the cost of getting there, unless you're local, and food etc. while you're there. Accommodation, or buying a tent. And all that assumes that you are either not working, or you're lucky enough to be able to get annual leave at peak holiday times (unlikely in a lot of min wage or student temporary jobs).

There's absolutely no way I'd have been able to afford that sort of outlay before the age of about 30.

we are a FSM family.
Ds got PP and sixth form bursary as we are low income.
He buys all his own clothes and pays for all his own social life.

He has a job. He has worked in a phone shop since he was 16. He worked Saturday and Sunday and every single spare holiday day that he could get. His boss likes him because he works hard and is reliable.
Last year, even with Covid and the shop being shut, he earned enough to buy himself a second hand car and insure it.
He has saved up loads for uni next year, and he paid for Broadmasters himself. He negotiated the time off with his boss for whom he has worked bloody hard for the last 2 years.

Most of his friends who went paid for it out of their earnings. We have a tent already that he has used dozens of times after we bought is second hand for about £20 4 years ago. He drove himself there, and the car had 3 passagners and they split the cost.

Why on earth would you assume that it is an expensive middle class exercise? Ds works hard, very hard, and is enjoying the fruit of that.

DumplingsAndStew · 24/08/2021 23:58

[quote toomuchlaundry]@DumplingsAndStew comments like training more staff and build new hospitals, are like the comments schools used to get about why weren't new classrooms being built and more teachers recruited immediately to help with social distancing[/quote]
You mean you weren't able to build new schools whilst pupils were spread out between pre existing schools, community buildings and churches?? With the masses of parent volunteers to supervise?

Shame on you.

toomuchlaundry · 25/08/2021 00:07

@DumplingsAndStew I know we failed

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