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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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Sunnygold · 22/08/2021 09:13

DH worked all the way through the pandemic running his boss’s company, while his multi millionaire boss stayed safely at home. It has led to a lot of resentment and he’s considering quitting because he feels he wasn’t rewarded for going above and beyond.

converseandjeans · 22/08/2021 09:14

Yes I feel like my experience has been different from many of my friends who are in middle class well paid jobs.

I teach so not as front line as you but I only had my second vaccine after I had broken up for the summer break.

There has been little to no sympathy for teachers - more criticism in fact.- on MN. I think maybe as NHS you may get more support.

It's a good job people in supermarkets, doing the recycling, post men, food production staff etc continued to graft - as you say on lower salaries with less perks.

It has highlighted a divide in society I think.

Dghgcotcitc · 22/08/2021 09:15

Umm so you think lock down was wrong then?…I am happy to go back to the office and resume normal life but I keep being told “the pandemic isn’t over we need another lockdown” so no I am not paying for furlough more than you either lockdown (including working from home) was for the good of everyone in society (as we were told) or it wasn’t but I was def told repeatedly that I was staying home to protect others now you are saying it was just for me so I could have taken my chances? Because I def would have taken more risks if it was only about individual risk which now seems to be the case?!…talk about a rewriting of the narrative!!

Endlesscleaning · 22/08/2021 09:16

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took

We’re you not paid?

Endlesscleaning · 22/08/2021 09:17

*were

Ohshitiveturnedintomymother · 22/08/2021 09:18

@converseandjeans

Yes I feel like my experience has been different from many of my friends who are in middle class well paid jobs.

I teach so not as front line as you but I only had my second vaccine after I had broken up for the summer break.

There has been little to no sympathy for teachers - more criticism in fact.- on MN. I think maybe as NHS you may get more support.

It's a good job people in supermarkets, doing the recycling, post men, food production staff etc continued to graft - as you say on lower salaries with less perks.

It has highlighted a divide in society I think.

I was firmly told on here that it was essentially my fault for choosing a job that I couldn’t work from home in Hmm not sure who they think is going to look after their little darlings so they can cozily work from home if all the teachers leave and go elsewhere.
FrankGrillosFloof · 22/08/2021 09:19

So what alternative would you offer? Everybody just carrying on as normal and continuing to go into work, travel, shopping, etc? Locking down those that could be locked down was for the benefit of everybody.

Justcurious93 · 22/08/2021 09:19

I feel quite angry about it really; lots of talk on the media centred around middle class white collar jobs and people being at home for the last 18 months but the reality is for a lot of us that just hasn't been an option. And the thought that now I'll have to pay for furlough costs for the rest of my working life (probably) makes me feel quite resentful Sad need to try and let it go...

MoreRainThanAnyYet · 22/08/2021 09:22

DH’s company took the opportunity to shut the local office down permanently. No choice now but to work from home (or live at work, which is more how it feels).

I’m pretty resentful about that too, even though it doesn’t risk life and limb.

Sunnyfreezesushi · 22/08/2021 09:23

A lot of my friends are City workers and lots are also medics. Many have had a very hard time in both fields. Some in City jobs especially women were working from home 12 hour plus whilst trying to homeschool with no help/no online teaching/no school places - more work/high tax rates etc. My best friends toddler had a life changing accident because of this because she was so stressed trying to juggle it all. Corona times really isn’t a competition for who has had it worst etc. It has been pretty difficult for most people. And if some people had a nice time I am pleased for them, we don’t need our whole society to be traumatised.

NailsNeedDoing · 22/08/2021 09:24

There are plenty of people that I’d consider to be middle class that went out to work all the way through, I’m not sure it’s right or fair to turn this into a class war.

I’m sure your perspective is very different if your work is in a hospital, but I work in a school and was in throughout apart from the very first couple of weeks, and personally I was very thankful that my job meant I didn’t have to be stuck in the house constantly.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:25

@Endlesscleaning

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took

We’re you not paid?

What?? Our normal pay is ‘compensation’ then, for essentially being infected and making us ill, killing a not insignificant number? Are you on glue?
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Knittingupastorm · 22/08/2021 09:26

@Dghgcotcitc

Umm so you think lock down was wrong then?…I am happy to go back to the office and resume normal life but I keep being told “the pandemic isn’t over we need another lockdown” so no I am not paying for furlough more than you either lockdown (including working from home) was for the good of everyone in society (as we were told) or it wasn’t but I was def told repeatedly that I was staying home to protect others now you are saying it was just for me so I could have taken my chances? Because I def would have taken more risks if it was only about individual risk which now seems to be the case?!…talk about a rewriting of the narrative!!
I agree. Are you saying that it would have been better to have everyone who wfh to continue to commute on trains and buses and go into offices? I’d certainly rather have been in the office than trying to wfh with an 11 month old but it was for the benefit of everyone, wasn’t it.
Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:26

@NailsNeedDoing

There are plenty of people that I’d consider to be middle class that went out to work all the way through, I’m not sure it’s right or fair to turn this into a class war.

I’m sure your perspective is very different if your work is in a hospital, but I work in a school and was in throughout apart from the very first couple of weeks, and personally I was very thankful that my job meant I didn’t have to be stuck in the house constantly.

I wouldn’t say I was thankful. Do you think that being a bit inconvenienced at home is the same as putting your health at risk? Really?
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deplorabelle · 22/08/2021 09:26

Well I was one of the pampered ones, though I do work for the NHS in research. I feel guilty and bad but there wasn't a lot I could do to address the inequality of exposure. The only thing I could do was hide away and not catch it so I did that to the best of my abilities (was on the shielding list so I followed the rules and didn't go out for three months. I have ZERO sympathy for people on a ten day ping!) and worked many many unpaid extra hours on covid related projects at home.

I agree that key workers should be rewarded for their service, but they are more likely to be punished. I consider it quite likely I will lose funding to my projects and be out of a job in a couple of years.

Palavah · 22/08/2021 09:26

Noone would have benefited if all those people had gone into work/travelled unnecessarily. We definitely weren't all in the same boat, i agree.

I hope you're able to take advantage of the many many freebies and discounts that are offered to NHS staff by way of some reward.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:28

@FrankGrillosFloof

So what alternative would you offer? Everybody just carrying on as normal and continuing to go into work, travel, shopping, etc? Locking down those that could be locked down was for the benefit of everybody.
No I’m not saying that. But I feel that vaccinated people whinging now about going back to workplaces are insensitive to those of us who took all the risks. And I feel that those who did get put at risk should be financially compensated.
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Branleuse · 22/08/2021 09:28

It was absolutely a middle class lockdown, facilitated entirely by a huge army of working class people keeping things running and bringing them things.
Massive difference in experiences.
Can you imagine a true lockdown with noone allowed to work. In the beginning noone even had PPE. Couldnt get masks, couldnt get hand gel. Terrifying.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:29

@Palavah

Noone would have benefited if all those people had gone into work/travelled unnecessarily. We definitely weren't all in the same boat, i agree.

I hope you're able to take advantage of the many many freebies and discounts that are offered to NHS staff by way of some reward.

Yes I enjoyed the two free pizzas my team got while I was off sick with covid, then looking after my dying mother. Thanks.
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Branleuse · 22/08/2021 09:29

Op. Dont forget people CLAPPED for you. Thats the main thing, surely

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:30

@Branleuse

Op. Dont forget people CLAPPED for you. Thats the main thing, surely
Ha yes I forgot the claps. Down our road it was an excuse for a weekly street party / social.
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RockingMyFiftiesNot · 22/08/2021 09:30

I get where you're coming from OP and I'm not a keyworker.

I've seen a couple of threads recently about people worried about them/their DP having to go back to working in an office and how risky that is..... now when most people are double vaccinated. Yet keyworkers like yourselves have been on the frontline throughout. It must be galling for you to hear people complaining and I'd feel like those people thought I didn't matter as much as them.
It would be good to see some sort of gesture made - like Morrison's closing their stores on Boxing Day. I'm sure they can afford to do this as most supermarkets will have benefited from the extra food shopping we all did. Would be nice to think the government might do something similar for public sector staff who went above and beyond.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:30

@Branleuse

It was absolutely a middle class lockdown, facilitated entirely by a huge army of working class people keeping things running and bringing them things. Massive difference in experiences. Can you imagine a true lockdown with noone allowed to work. In the beginning noone even had PPE. Couldnt get masks, couldnt get hand gel. Terrifying.
Yes totally the case. Them are the facts.
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NeverTalkToStrangers · 22/08/2021 09:30

As an office/home worker I absolutely did appreciate the additional risk that factory, retail, refuse, healthcare, transport, utilities and other OOH workers were taking on in order to keep society functioning. My contribution was by staying at home at times of high risk to lessen the spread of disease and pressure on the NHS. Not nearly as difficult a task, and with no personal risk to me, but still a useful contribution.

I’m not impressed by the OOH workers I saw on MN (not necessarily the OP) who took a “if I have to work outside the home then you should too” approach. WFH where possible at times of high risk benefitted everyone in society by preventing the total collapse of the NHS.

But its time has now passed.

Howshouldibehave · 22/08/2021 09:31

I agree, there is a stark divide.

The whole not wanting to end WFH thing is an interesting one as well. There are posters on MN who are gutted that their plans to sell up on London and indulge in a near-retirement style of living in the country have been ‘thwarted’ by horrid bosses who now want them to come back to the office! There are others WFH who even feel bullied by bosses who want them to turn their cameras on during work Zoom meetings because they don’t see why they should do their hair/wear make up any more.

There have some jaw-dropping comments!