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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

OP posts:
shouldistop · 22/08/2021 10:25

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

Hmm

I went back to work with the public when I was heavily pregnant last summer through to late autumn. I was paid to do my job and grateful I still had one considering how many industries stopped trading for a time.

Notenoughcider · 22/08/2021 10:26

Totally agree OP.

People's being able to isolate had been largely facilitated by an army of people who did not have that privilege. Bin men, supermarket workers, delivery drivers etc.

My DH has worked right through (as have I BTW, but I've been luck to be at home) with no social distancing, no PPE and didn't even get clapped for. We have lived a life as normal as we physically could throughout lockdown. I don't understand the reality of people who haven't left the house for 18 months and don't understand that other people have. How did they think the Waitrose delivery driver got their shopping to them?!

LadyPenelope68 · 22/08/2021 10:26

@Ohshitiveturnedintomymother
I was firmly told on here that it was essentially my fault for choosing a job that I couldn’t work from home in hmm not sure who they think is going to look after their little darlings so they can cozily work from home if all the teachers leave and go elsewhere.
Yes, I was told the same, or told I should leave my job then if I was that bothered.

Lockdownbear · 22/08/2021 10:26

@speakout

I agree.

I dislike the idea that we are " all in this together".

It's simply not true.

The best description is we are all in different boats in the same storm. Nobody has had it easy, but some have had a different ride to others.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 22/08/2021 10:27

@megletthesecond

Actually, you should get danger money or something.
Don't be ridiculous.
wewereliars · 22/08/2021 10:28

You sound very bitter and angry OP, maybe look for a new job.

Plently of people lost their jobs and lots of businesses went under, and people staying off public transport benefits everyone in a pandemic.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 10:28

@TheGenealogist

So what you're really saying OP is that you want some form of danger money?
I want us to get compensation. I suspect in the years to come when there has been a review and the governments inaction condemned we will receive this.

I also want the privileged to at the least be quiet or even better acknowledge the protection they received throughout this.

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 10:31

@wewereliars

You sound very bitter and angry OP, maybe look for a new job.

Plently of people lost their jobs and lots of businesses went under, and people staying off public transport benefits everyone in a pandemic.

Ha don’t worry I know for sure more of us than ever will be quitting in the coming months and take our transferable skills elsewhere or retire. Good luck if you get ill mate.

People staying off public transport actually meant less transport running. It was packed as ever. Which you would have known had you…actually used it.

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BungleandGeorge · 22/08/2021 10:32

Your friends were following instructions just as you were. There were many people who didn’t chose to be working on their lap in their bedroom unable to see any friends or family. It’s a fact that some jobs like teaching and healthcare can’t be done effectively from home. Be angry with your employer for failing to take all steps to keep you safe. Whatever your job if you were high risk you should have been redeployed, if you weren’t then potentially you may be able to take legal action if you’ve been adversely affected. I’m angry that people weren’t protected sufficiently with PPE and other measures. I’m angry about the operation of the furlough scheme and eat out to help out etc. I’m angry that I’ve had negative consequences from not being able to access healthcare. I’m not angry with individuals for doing what they were told to do. People who are now having to go back to the office are going through what NHS staff have already been through and come to terms with. Of course they’re in a much better position and just need to suck it up but people like a moan don’t they?

BigWoollyJumpers · 22/08/2021 10:33

I would take issue with your assertion though that you don't want to pay for "middle class" furlough payments. Most, if not the majority of those on furlough were "working class" on minimum wage, hospitality, retail, travel, hairdressers.

Also, those most at risk, were and continue to be the oldest in society. Depending on the job you do, front-line NHS in patient facing roles, were of course more at risk of contracting Covid than anyone else in society, any other role, not so much.

ilovebrie8 · 22/08/2021 10:33

@wewereliars

You sound very bitter and angry OP, maybe look for a new job.

Plently of people lost their jobs and lots of businesses went under, and people staying off public transport benefits everyone in a pandemic.

Totally agree with this! Also your swearing at a poster who you don’t agree with just shows how angry and bitter you are...best change careers if you feel so upset...as I said previously so many have no job now ....everyone had had to deal with this is different ways ...
MedSchoolRat · 22/08/2021 10:34

All your family & friends are in "cannon fodder" occupations? Including your mother who died in hospital, is that why they "all" had covid? I'm not following.

2 DC were in keyworker occupations. One of them knows some other young people who had covid -- all recovered fine. All DC had their education and training severely disrupted. Like lots of other public health people I worked for months (full time) without a contract and no or token salary. But from home so we are not "cannon fodder." I had emails off of the public health people sent at 1am routinely. I'm not sure anyone can afford the compensation OP wants. My children will be paying for the covid response most their lives.

If you resent people you talked to in person then maybe take your resentment back to them.

TheKeatingFive · 22/08/2021 10:35

People staying off public transport actually meant less transport running. It was packed as ever. Which you would have known had you…actually used it.

This isn’t my experience at all and yes I did use it.

Imnothereforthedrama · 22/08/2021 10:35

Ha don’t worry I know for sure more of us than ever will be quitting in the coming months and take our transferable skills elsewhere or retire. Good luck if you get ill mate.

With that attitude yep time to change job op good luck with the career change .

Mochaberoca · 22/08/2021 10:36

Not everyone who worked from home is high paid or enjoyed it or saved money, I think it's a bit of an unfair generalisation.

ilovebrie8 · 22/08/2021 10:36

Your last few posts are aggressive OP I don’t know why you are in a caring profession...

Lemonsyellow · 22/08/2021 10:36

I think you are very privileged. You kept your job, and were paid throughout. You have a stable career. If it’s public sector, you get a decent pension and you get a pay rise- unlike many of those who work in the private sector. I’m an essential worker but get none of those benefits. Many people I know lost their jobs.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 10:36

my local bus was running on a reduced service, with about one passenger
so many firms have lost out
taxi companies
photocopying engineers
office carpeting companies

off the top of my head

Smartiepants79 · 22/08/2021 10:36

See I think it’s wrong to think of being made to stay at home ‘a privilege’. It simply was what it was. Many of them didn’t choose that. I have several friends who would have rather been allowed to go to work and take the risks for themselves. But that wasn’t a choice they could make.
Yes, for some, this has been easier. But until you’ve lived their life you really can’t know who they are.
I do think most people recognise where they’ve been lucky but they also see where they’ve missed out.

Callybrate · 22/08/2021 10:37

This doesn't just divide along class lines. I would say my family is pretty middle class (not very wealthy though) by the actual definition, not where people use "middle class" to mean upper middle class. Teaching, social services, NHS workers. Almost all stayed working outside the home and almost all got it.

However every single person I spoke to pretty much who worked from home acknowledged their vast fortune at being able to do so in pretty much every conversation and I don't see why they should "be quiet" or why that would help anybody.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 10:37

op do you want us all to get compensation?
all those who had to continue to go out to work?
or just your sector?

Bagamoyo1 · 22/08/2021 10:38

As an NHS worker throughout, I don’t resent the WFH people. But I do get irritated when I hear them moaning about having to return to the office, with all its terrible risk. It’s as if they don’t realise that some of us have been going in to work all the way through, and they want sympathy for the massive risk they’re now having to take!

It reminds me off the lockdowns, when people lamented the boredom, and moaned about having to watch yet another Netflix film, and wondered how to pass the time - seemingly unaware that some of us never stopped working.

I think it’s the lack of interest and awareness of the circumstances of others that is irritating. There’s an assumption by many that their own experience has been universal.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 10:39

people working from home may well suffer from musculoskeletal problems for years to come
loneliness, lack of office camaraderie, lack of muscle tone. etc.,

Dogoodfeelgood · 22/08/2021 10:39

I can understand your resentment but everyone was just following the rules that were put in place to reduce the spread. As a WFH city worker I cannot wait to return to the office and definitely didn’t enjoy lockdown and am more than happy to get back as soon as possible and bring life back to the city I love. I appreciate the additional sacrifices made by key workers and am so thankful. As a PP said, turning on each other won’t address the actual problem which is the travesty of lower pay in many key worker industries, especially nursing. Only political will and policy change can impact that.

user98765461 · 22/08/2021 10:39

Well I agree OP apart from the money side. I don't think it is as simple as that. It was not the case that the only exceptions were doctors. Plenty of other medium-high earners are key workers. That is kind of a chip on the shoulder type of attitude from low paid workers who don't see the other staff also working - everyone in the hospital (not all low paid, even nurses are probably mid earners, although grossly underpaid based on their qualifications of degrees and masters and level of responsibility compared to e.g. teachers).

I also think we as key workers and their families should be grateful to those staying at home and encourage this to continue, simply because the more idiots out there mixing without masks (and without vaccines for the really ignorant) while virus levels are high means that there are more hospital admissions with this highly infectious virus. These people admitted give off massive viral loads and the UK gives shit PPE to those treating Covid patients (new study today has found the FFP1 blue masks offer just 10% protection - that is why the NHS staff all get every new variant, though now with some vaccine protection) and so we are more exposed to the virus and more likely to get ill and take the virus home to our families.
Really the longer the muppets can stay at home the better. All the NHS staff I know get very upset at scenes like planes and football stadiums and nightclubs and pubs.

I could also compare the differing exposure levels of a NHS fronliner (on the Covid respiratory wards) treating the most sick with the highest viral loads while wearing an FFP1 mask with being in a classroom of asymptomatic children and point out the difference, but I would get flamed to death.