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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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PurpleVerbena · 22/08/2021 10:12

I think you are wrong using expressions such as 'cannon fodder' as an excuse to have yet another go at the middle classes. You chose your job, presumably, you weren't forced to take it? That's the way the cookie crumbles!

m0therofdragons · 22/08/2021 10:13

I feel very different to you. I’m front line and went into the hospital but dh worked from home. Those people working from home reduced the risk to those of us needing to go in. My workplace made it as safe as possible and I’ve avoided outbreaks, as have most. It’s been tough for many. We did save on childcare but the flip side was dh had to work from home with 3 dc (I do not envy him this at all).

Lightisnotwhite · 22/08/2021 10:13

@Branleuse

It was absolutely a middle class lockdown, facilitated entirely by a huge army of working class people keeping things running and bringing them things. Massive difference in experiences. Can you imagine a true lockdown with noone allowed to work. In the beginning noone even had PPE. Couldnt get masks, couldnt get hand gel. Terrifying.
Agreed.
m0therofdragons · 22/08/2021 10:14

I should add, I feel privileged I was able to go to work and keep some normality in my life.

ilovebrie8 · 22/08/2021 10:14

You got claps every Thursday for weeks on end. Plus the NHS get a huge amount of discounts my friend is a nurse and the list is endless from clothes to meals out and even cheap car deals!! I was actually stunned ! Teachers and supermarket workers don’t get half the discounts she gets as a nurse. Think yourself lucky you still have a job many don’t where businesses have collapsed 😟!!!

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 22/08/2021 10:15

My friends who worked safely from home were all vaccinated before I was.

One of my sahm friends had her vaccine before me because she lied about her caring role. I'm not friends with her anymore.

x2boys · 22/08/2021 10:15

Well nobodies had it easy, what could people do if their offices etc were closed?
They could hardly demand to go into work, my dh works in a warehouse he was off work for the first twelve weeks as he was deemed clinically vulnerable, than went to work from june 2020,up to febuary 2021 whenhe received a letter saying he had been reclassed as clinically extremely vulnerable so was off again for five weeks
I m a carer for our severley autistic child, who has a full EHCP and attends a special school, despite what the government said about vulnerable children being able to attend school, during the lockdown, s they seemed to forget about special school, s🙄 so he was off school from march 2020 to September 2020,back in again until xmas and off again untill march 2021
My point is none of us have had it easy.

TheGenealogist · 22/08/2021 10:16

So what you're really saying OP is that you want some form of danger money?

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 22/08/2021 10:16

@ilovebrie8

You got claps every Thursday for weeks on end. Plus the NHS get a huge amount of discounts my friend is a nurse and the list is endless from clothes to meals out and even cheap car deals!! I was actually stunned ! Teachers and supermarket workers don’t get half the discounts she gets as a nurse. Think yourself lucky you still have a job many don’t where businesses have collapsed 😟!!!
Yep, you're right. Claps from strangers are better than your family staying alive.
Howshouldibehave · 22/08/2021 10:16

@motherrunner

I agree with *@Waxonwaxoff0*. I don’t expected to be compensated for doing my job, I just wish we hadn’t been vilified in the media and on here for doing that job.
Agree-some of the posts on here and elsewhere about teachers were really upsetting. The media/government did a cracking job at pitting teachers (lazy lefties) against nurses (angels and heroes) to stoke the fire, which was pretty vile. Neither were valued enough to get a decent pay rise though.
Whinge · 22/08/2021 10:16

My friends who worked safely from home were all vaccinated before I was.

Same here. Sad

JayDot500 · 22/08/2021 10:16

I mean, DH and I got to WFH and feel grateful to the people who were able/felt forced to get out and work.

But then there is my SIL, who works part time for ASDA and was able to send her son into school full time during the lockdowns (my brother wfh full time but this didn't seem to matter). Being shown pictures/videos of how well my nephew was progressing at school with less children and the extra attention felt a bit like a punch. Because, there I was battling to get my kid (who is the same age) to face his daily hour zoom lesson, while trying to work full time with a 1 year old.

It's a pandemic. I would rather feel positive about my nephew's progress than begin feeling all sorts of sour. It's not a race to the bottom, but I can understand why you might feel the way you do OP.

AtrociousCircumstance · 22/08/2021 10:16

I hear you OP. I would love it if people like you - and by that I mean on the frontline in whatever capacity - were rewarded by the government.

Thank you for your work.

Knittingupastorm · 22/08/2021 10:17

@ilovebrie8

You got claps every Thursday for weeks on end. Plus the NHS get a huge amount of discounts my friend is a nurse and the list is endless from clothes to meals out and even cheap car deals!! I was actually stunned ! Teachers and supermarket workers don’t get half the discounts she gets as a nurse. Think yourself lucky you still have a job many don’t where businesses have collapsed 😟!!!
You cannot reasonably list clapping as a perk.
megletthesecond · 22/08/2021 10:19

But those of us who WFH lowered your risk. I've still not been to a restaurant or the gym because I don't want to drag it out. And believe me, I am utterly sick of feeding my children.

ilovebrie8 · 22/08/2021 10:20

The claps was meant tongue in cheek !!

Applesonthelawn · 22/08/2021 10:20

If I had been an NHS worker, I would have been glad that all those "middle class" people who could work from home were actually doing exactly what they were told to do in order to slow the spread etc.

Yes the price people have paid is uneven but that's no-one's fault. I would argue that children and those receiving education have paid an exceptionally high price.
It sounds like the people at your meeting were tactlessly gloating about their circumstances though, which would annoy me.

Chloemol · 22/08/2021 10:21

You sound extremely bitter and actually I feel don’t understand

Lots made contributions to stopping the virus in different ways. Many people in this country are very grateful for those frontline workers who continued to work to keep the country going, nhs,teachers, shop workers, lorry drivers, gunmen, and all the rest.

Yes lots got to work from home, which in itself is not as easy as many think especially with kids, ( and by the way that’s how lots of people who worked from home caught the virus) but we were all tasked in different ways to contribute to stopping the virus

Imagine your job if those told to wfh hadn’t?

Lots of people no longer have jobs to go back to, lots lost jobs during the pandemic who wouldn’t have done in normal times

Please stop being so bitter because of a few ‘friends’ attitude

Lightisnotwhite · 22/08/2021 10:21

@PurpleVerbena

I think you are wrong using expressions such as 'cannon fodder' as an excuse to have yet another go at the middle classes. You chose your job, presumably, you weren't forced to take it? That's the way the cookie crumbles!
FFS did the lockdown not tell you which jobs are actually essential? The ones that keep our society going. If no one “ chooses” them we’re fucked.
Howshouldibehave · 22/08/2021 10:21

I agree with those saying that ‘clapping is not a perk’, HOWEVER, there was a definitely feeling that NHS staff were all brilliant and deserved the public support, whereas school staff were all workshy and had a year off sunbathing in the garden with cocktails.

I was happy to teach through the pandemic, but really resented coming on here, opening the papers or watching the news to be told I wasn’t working!

DiscoDown21 · 22/08/2021 10:21

@WibbleyPie

I understand the reason for people needing to wfh and be furloughed and agree it was the best thing to do, but I am honestly getting sick of hearing how hard life has been for people wfh, with kids to homeschool and how much they've sacrificed not having holidays or days out and how it's all not fair, or how unreasonable it is they should go back to work and how scared they are and how affected they've been, and how much the young have sacrificed to protect the elderly, because I've seen exactly what the elderly have sacrificed.

I'm very grateful to the teachers who looked after my DD so I could work, but it wasn't because it was a favour to me, it was because there'd be thousands of elderly people who wouldn't have had care if people like me couldn't get to work, not to give me an easy life.

I am now caring for the second lot of positive cases in my home - first lot was after an emergency admission in first lockdown, and I don't think it's any coincidence that things have started opening up and unvaccinated people are allowed into homes now to visit their relatives, and we now have another lot gone down with it.

Ive read things like 'carers being allowed to kill our family members' because we needed to go to the fucking shop or our kids were at school so we could go to work, Boris trying to say that it spread through homes because carers don't wash their hands and not because they dumped untested people into environments where the most vulnerable live, I've done 80 hour weeks because others have tested positive, I've watched people die in ways I'll never forget, I've watched as the media and government have discredited us by basically saying we're all too selfish to get the vaccine so we have to be forced, before all carers had even had the chance to have it or been offered.
And I've done it for minimum wage and being added as an after thought for the clap for the NHS because we just don't feature highly enough in society to be thought about in our own right.

Now we're facing picking up the pieces of even worse staffing levels as people leave because they can get more in Aldi, because they've been traumatised by what they've had to see and do, without medical training or any support at all from anywhere for their mental health.

But my mc contacts are so hard done by having to not go on holiday or have a party or because they are being told they have to go back to work.
Cry me a fucking river.

I agree. I feel carers should be far more appreciated and respected than they are for a very poor wage. I wish that social care staff had higher wages and more support it’s actually disgusting for the job that you do. I work for the NHS. I couldn’t do your job with the elderly. I think you guys are amazing. I’m sorry for what you’ve been through.
Chloemol · 22/08/2021 10:21

Bin men not gunmen

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 10:22

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megletthesecond · 22/08/2021 10:23

Actually, you should get danger money or something.

FrippEnos · 22/08/2021 10:25

@TheYearOfSmallThings

I was grateful to get out of the house and go to work once I could get DS into the (limited) school provision. I don't think it does anyone good to be sitting at home - I don't care how much they earn or how nice their house is. I always feel better for physically getting out into the world.
Grateful enough to post. Not grateful enough to manage it without a little dig.

Thanks for that.