NZ back into lockdown.

[Malin52]

1 case in the community. All of NZ back into lockdown Level 4 because no link to border found.

Hard and fast.

Posts on a UK dominated message board about something, gets annoyed that people post their opinion, the same as many from NZ have posted on threads about the UKs response. If people get this worked up about it maybe time log off the Internet?

@PropertyFlipper there is no smugness here. None. What you are reading in your media might suggest smugness, but it's not an accurate reflection of what is happening here. Maybe you personally know people who are being smug in your view - that's not a reflection of NZ in general. This smug NZ thing is a Northern Hemisphere, coloniser construct. As for your comment about how you couldn't be paid to live here, well that's pretty laughable and small minded. Me? There are loads of places I'd happily live, the UK included and there are plenty of people across the world who would give their right arm to live here.

@Bryonyshcmyony And if we want to respond on a board we can! Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander and all that. We're not submissive colonials here. No one believes that James Cook was a good man anymore. And we may share a language but we don't necessarily share attitudes and opinions. UK posters don't own the boards. T'internet is a global phenomenon.

No one believes that James Cook was a good man anymore

What are you talking about 😂😂

@Bryonyshcmyony

No one believes that James Cook was a good man anymore

What are you talking about 😂😂

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there are plenty of people across the world who would give their right arm to live here.

I'm comfortable the vast majority would choose the arm. That's not a criticism, more a commentary on the respective usefulness of arms.

This smug NZ thing is a Northern Hemisphere, coloniser construct

Tell us more. 🙏

I'm really interested how us, here in the UK are the colonisers in this narrative.

We did have to put up with quite a lot of “U.K. is a shit show” comments from NZ and Aussie posters last year. Which I thought was pretty short sighted at the time and rude considering it’s a U.K. based site but I tried to scroll past just like NZ posters should scroll past now if they don’t like to hear discussions. I wouldn’t dream of doing the equivalent on a NZ parenting /chat site.
But there’s little point wasting energy getting upset about any of it, it’s an anonymous chat forum.

[quote Kiwiinparis]@Terhou what on earth? Supermarkets are open. Hospitals are open. Police stations are open. No one is starving. Everyone is just staying home unless it’s an emergency or you need food/testing[/quote]
You criticised the UK for not imposing what you described as actual lockdowns where nobody is allowed to leave their house. I was pointing out what the logical consequences of that would be.

Given that a highly infectious Covid strain emerged in the UK I don’t think people in the UK have the right to criticise other country’s responses. There’s no New Zealand strain of Covid remember …

@shiningcuckoo Listen to Skeg. Now that’s smug.

It seems to me to be in very bad taste to come onto a UK forum and lecture British people on the nature of their lockdown, totally disrespecting the fact that it is (academically) considered to have endured the longest, strictest lockdown in the world over the last winter. Yes, many mistakes have been made, too many lives lost. But the UK did not have the advantage in time or geography that NZ did, and has had to muddle through as best it can. There is a lot of fresh pain, and not a lot of bandwidth left for smug BS from people on the other side of the world who believe they are morally superior when in fact they were probably just mostly lucky and had the advantage of learning from our mistakes.

Kiwis returning don't pay for MIQ, only those coming for short times. But getting a space can take months and is a source of frustration for those stuck overseas.

This is what I don't understand. Effectively it leaves people stuck in NZ for fear of being unable to get back if they go away. How hard would it be for the government to organise a more realistic number of quarantine spaces? It must be better off than most given that it hasn't had to pay for furlough etc.

@IslandSnow

Given that a highly infectious Covid strain emerged in the UK I don’t think people in the UK have the right to criticise other country’s responses. There’s no New Zealand strain of Covid remember …

🙄

People really will say anything to feel superior over a virus.

I've got to say at beginning of thread it was posters based in UK who looked like prats.....just like Covid how things can change.........

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-ashley-bloomfield-gives-case-update-expert-on-scary-auckland-location-of-interest-date-that-goes-back-15-days/SZDNUY5VYAYHTBXZC5RMJ3R2MY/
Expert on 'scary' Auckland location of interest date that goes back 15 days

More Covid cases are expected today, says Dr Ashley Bloomfield, amid revelations the Delta variant may have been in the New Zealand community for two weeks.

And

The Delta variant may have been in the New Zealand community for more than two weeks, with one expert labelling a new location of interest from August 3 as "scary" and "worrying".

Otago University epidemiologist Michael Baker told Newstalk ZB the new date was remarkable, scary - and very worrying.

He said a more complex picture was emerging - of who was really the first case and who passed the virus to whom.

August 3 "really pushes back the start of this outbreak," Baker said. "It is a more complex picture that is emerging here."

The locations of interest included "dangerous" settings like indoor bars, he said. The lockdown was likely to be longer than a week, he said.

Again the same pattern we've seen elsewhere may be in play - that by the time you detect the first case it may be too late to stop a larger outbreak because of how long its been circulating undetected.

It's such a pity that we can't have a civilised discussion. So may posters so eager to kick each other especially when the chips are down. Surely we can do better than this?

It isn't a competition. None of us is singly responsive for how the pandemic has panned out where we live.

I have dual UK/NZ citizenship and have felt incredibly sad for family and friends in the UK living through such long lockdowns and all that goes with it. I absolutely appreciate that I have been spared that.

But it pisses me off how fucking condescending so many British posters are on the NZ and Australian threads. It really does smack of arrogance and the attitude of colonialism. It's not cool.

Unless you live here and are educated about colonial-induced racism, you cannot appreciate how terrible the reality has been for generations of Māori and Pasifika peoples. Please don't minimise that. It runs through every thread of life here and has caused indescribable pain and trauma.

It is deeply apparent in COVID 19 management in that Māori and Pasifika people are, generally speaking, more reluctant to be vaccinated. History has taught them that the govt is the enemy.

So forgive us for having little patience for the thinly veiled racism, xenophobia and patronising crap directed at New Zealanders. We're over it - and it is tedious having discussions derailed.

Back to original discussion, day 2 of lockdown. How long do we (locals) think we are in for? Given that most of the original cases attend super spreader events I'm guessing it's going to be a while.

It's such a pity that we can't have a civilised discussion

Isn't it? Perhaps not throwing ridiculous accusations of "arrogant colonialism" about might help?

And you won't have one case
You'll have many cases, because that is how Delta works
Lockdowns will help contain the spread, but eventually you are going to have to accept Covid in NZ
Vaccination will help a lot, but the fantasy of a covid free country is over. That's the reality of the situation - and we speak from experience

www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/449486/covid-19-modeller-shaun-hendy-we-are-dealing-with-a-large-cluster

So talk of a large cluster, but they think they can control but will be longer than a 7 day lockdown in Auckland.

Whats interesting here in terms of how they are assessing the rest of the country is the use of wastewater monitoring elsewhere in the country which may be used to decide if lockdowns are longer elsewhere.

I don't know whether this has been used in quite this way before anywhere else - mainly because by the time the method was available in Europe cases were already evefywhere. I know the Netherlands used it to get an idea of the scale of the number of cases in an area but not actually to determine lockdowns or policy as such.

That would make NZ have another string to its bow which other countries haven't been able to use in quite the same way and will potentially add another layer of protection others haven't been able to take full advantage of.

I'm pretty sure Sweden did it for a while

Remember the positive sewage samples from New Plymouth, in late July? I recall it was dismissed at the time as likely "shedding" from recently recovered cases.

Perhaps it wasn't.

www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/covid-19-detected-new-plymouth-wastewater

@IslandSnow

Given that a highly infectious Covid strain emerged in the UK I don’t think people in the UK have the right to criticise other country’s responses. There’s no New Zealand strain of Covid remember …

I thought it emerged in India?

The Delta variant did, yes. I think the PP is talking about the Kent variant which has died out a bit due to the strength of the Delta variant