Younger age bracket in hospital

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It seems the 18-34 age bracket are seeing higher levels of hospitalisation.

Does anyone know of anyone in this bracket that had to go to hospital? Were they vaccinated? Did they have anything underlying? What was their experience?

Do we really have young healthy people in ICU on ventilators and what are the survival rates when it reaches this point?

It’s comparable in that it can hospitalise/kill young/healthy people. People who are not usually offered the flu vaccine and aren’t usually berated for not having it because they’re low risk - even though some young/healthy people may still get ill/die.

@bumbleymummy you've not answered my question.

Any virus can kill people.

But only Covid has resulted in quarantines, school closures and extra pressure on the NHS. Do you not accept this?

And younger people appear to be suffering from long covid which impacts ability to return to work.

Why then can't you see that it's more pressing to try to get us out of this pandemic than it is to vaccinate against seasonal flu?

Hmmmm… you seem to be twisting this into a completely different argument. I originally replied to your comment about ‘downplaying the risks for younger people’ and not knowing who is at risk. I pointed out that we do know the most at risk groups because they were prioritised for vaccination. You clarified and said that even if you are in a low risk group you can still die. I then pointed out that healthy people do die from viruses, there aren’t any guarantees and gave the example of flu which does hospitalise/kill healthy people outside of the main at-risk groups.

My point is simply that it’s not really something new that a virus can kill people that are not identified as high risk. We don’t try to pressure/coerce/tell people they should have a flu vaccine though.

I wasn’t saying anything about flu causing quarantines and school closures - just pointing out that it can make healthy people quite ill. Do you accept that?

(Flu does put pressure on the NHS every year btw - have a quick Google and look at the new articles from the last few winters. Surgeries cancelled, bed shortages, people waiting in ambulances to be admitted etc)

So I’m really not sure where this came from -

Why then can't you see that it's more pressing to try to get us out of this pandemic than it is to vaccinate against seasonal flu?

because it has nothing to do with my point at all.

I'm not 'twisting' anything. But you know that.

What you've essentially said is that there is no point getting the Covid vaccine because it doesn't pose any more problems for the UK than seasonal flu does.

Which isn't true.

You've also ignored the poster who pointed out that new variants have appeared since the original assessment of who is most at risk from Covid.

My point is simply...

Minimise, minimise, minimise, not a problem, too bad too sad, minimise, minimise, minimise, minimise. I think that about sums it up.

What you've essentially said is that there is no point getting the Covid vaccine because it doesn't pose any more problems for the UK than seasonal flu does.

No, I haven’t. This is you twisting.

You've also ignored the poster who pointed out that new variants have appeared since the original assessment of who is most at risk from Covid.

No, I didn’t. I replied to her in the next post referring her to the ONS data which shows that the most at risk groups are the same - older age groups.

It’s not minimising anything to say that a virus can sometimes kill healthy people

NRTFT. @SleepyMathematicianand @SoOvethis I could almost have written your posts. I have never been as sick and that fear of deteriorating was so frightening, something I never want to experience again. I too was healthy and fit although older (55), ran, cycled. Currently got long covid, albeit improving. I'm an ICU nurse and we had a fair few youngish patients (30-40s), some who died. One pregnant lady, very ill, luckily survived as did her baby. Some people don't understand the predictability of the illness...I'm on a very busy long covid facebook group with 40,000 members, to many of us it's real and has impacted our everyday lives hugely.

The data includes people in hospital for any reason who have also tested positive, which isn't clear in the reporting but is clear in the ONS wording of the actual data. So an emergency inpatient who is tested will go in the figures as a person in hospital with covid, even if they've been hospitalised for another reason.

The percentage in terms of age groups has shifted towards younger people but the absolute numbers of people actually admitted is lots lower.

Sounds much more exciting and might persuade those who are vaccine hesitant if they say during one week in January 2021 only 30% of admissions were under 65 and this week 60% of admissions have been under 65 or something, rather than saying there were 10,000 under 65s admitted during that week in January and 800 admitted during this week. Percentages vs whole numbers can make things sound better or worse depending on the narrative they want to pursue.

@bumbleymummy your posts are disingenuous. I've no idea what you are trying to argue on this thread.

I’m not trying to argue anything tbh. I was just replying to your posts.