What happens to unvaccinated people when self isolation stops for the vaccinated?

[Phial]

I've been looking for info on what happens to unvaccinated people from Monday when self isolation ends for the vaccinated. Presumably they still have to self isolate? Are people going to have to prove they are double vaccinated in order to avoid self isolation?
Are unvaccinated people going to get time off work to self isolate while vaccinated people need to go in?
I am vaccinated and will be happy not to self isolate but I am wondering practically how it's all going to work.

@lannistunut

I am (happily) vaccinated but very, very unhappy about this division and concerned about the unpleasant comments towards the unvaccinated.

I oppose vaccine passports and oppose bullying over vaccine status.

Do you think that neither vaccinated and unvaccinated should have to isolate after Monday, or all should have to isolate? I was just interested in how this was going to work practically rather than making a judgement on vaccinated/unvaccinated.

@WrongKindOfFace yes, 6 months for most although hiqa recebtky recommended that Ireland extend it to 9 months based on increasing evidence of durable immunity after infection.

I wonder how often boosters will have to be given to keep vaccine status valid.

I personally think all should have to isolate until a negative test. T&T ime take a while to get in touch and by that time no symptoms and a negative test should be enough to end isolation for anyone.

I don't think you're more likely to get covid from an unvaccinated person, surely as most of the population is vaccinated you're statistically going to be exposed by another vaccinated person (unless you're a teacher!)

I'm in Scotland. from this week if double vaccinated +2 weeks and a close contact of positive case we have to take a PCR test.
If negative we don't have to isolate,

But we obviously have to isolate until results are back, usually within 24hrs

I have been wondering this. I'm not due my second vaccine until next month (under 30) and my job can't be done from home. Most of the people in my workplace are still waiting for their second vaccine.

If they are not vaccinated due to health problems, I couldn't really care less what they do with them if I'm honest.

@Phial

It doesn't seem very clear to me. I agree that many unvaccinated people will not self isolate in their personal lives (I also exclude anyone who medically can't have a vaccine or is especially anxious) but will they be able to go to work? I know an unvaccinated teacher. What will happen to her if she is a close contact at school? Do schools even know the vaccine status of their employees?

We've been asked to let our admin know our vaccine status (and update it if need be) in preparation for this.

From Monday under 18s and fully vaccinated adults don't need to SI as a close contact. Only time they'll need to SI is if they actually have Covid themselves. They'll be encouraged to take a pcr but it's not compulsory.

The rules don't change for unvaccinated adults. They are still expected to SI for ten days.

Re T&T I assume the message will just change. Notice to SI but with an added message to say that if fully vaccinated then you are exempt but get a test if you can.

@Tootsey11

It has been proven that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated transmitted at the same level.

Where is that source?

All the MSM are still staying that transmission is up to 50% less likely to transmit Covid. And they're also less likely to catch it.

@bumbleymummy

Maybe. But since they declined the free vaccine, they should prove their immunity at their cost.

Some countries count a record of previous infection as proof of immunity.

Only for 90 days in many cases though.

But some do say post infection plus one vaccine is enough.

Personally although I have had Covid, I am glad to have had two vaccines too. I'll be getting the booster too all being well.

Honestly, I think people just won't bother from Monday, regardless of their vaccination status. Just like people started deleting the app so they couldn't be pinged. People will go about their business and some will get sick.

Perhaps they will self ID as vaccinated and so not need to isolate 😁

Actually, what is the rule on PCRs in England from Monday, does anyone know? The summary on the BBC says that if you're double vaxxed and a close contact, you should get a PCR and don't have to isolate if it's negative. But is it mandatory to get the PCR, or advisory? And do you need to isolate while you're waiting for the result?

@WhoWants2Know

Honestly, I think people just won't bother from Monday, regardless of their vaccination status. Just like people started deleting the app so they couldn't be pinged. People will go about their business and some will get sick.

Do test and trace only call, or text or send a letter as well? I don't answer any number I don't know.

@Abraxan CDC and PHE. Vaccinated are less likely to contract the virus but once infected, transmission appears to be the same as in unvaccinated people.

@munchbunch12

Perhaps they will self ID as vaccinated and so not need to isolate 😁

I’m up for this!

@kowari test and trace send an email and a text instructing you to isolate and with a code to input into a website. If you don't do this within a certain time I think they then ring you. They also ring some people who do fill in the form as well.

Do test and trace only call, or text or send a letter as well? I don't answer any number I don't know.

As you dont need to check in anywhere now, presumably if your details are given to T&T the positive person themselves will also let you know they're covid positive before T&T do so at least you can expect the call from T&T should you need clarification to isolate (if unvaccinated) or to get yourself a PCR test if required

[quote FlagsFiend]@kowari test and trace send an email and a text instructing you to isolate and with a code to input into a website. If you don't do this within a certain time I think they then ring you. They also ring some people who do fill in the form as well.[/quote]
Ah ok. It would likely only be a text that would reach me, and that only on a break if I was at work. I don't check emails every day either.

@Wellbythebloodyhell
That makes sense, it would be highly unlikely I'd have to isolate then, it would likely only come about through contact at work.

Why the interest in something irrelevant to you?

Mumsnet wouldn't exist if people didn't take an interest in things that aren't directly relevant to them. Yoiu've taken an interest in this thread for example....

Incidentally, I decided to stop being lazy and visit the Gov website to answer my own question. The answer is that PCRs for double jabbed close contacts will only be advisory, and if you do take one, you don't need to isolate while waiting for the results.

Soooo. For all the people who have been vaccinated but haven’t developed any antibodies... where do they stand?

Are they treated as ‘less of a risk’ because they’ve had the jab but essentially the same as a non jabbed person? Or what?

It all seems a bit of a farce.

@baffledcoconut

Soooo. For all the people who have been vaccinated but haven’t developed any antibodies... where do they stand?

Are they treated as ‘less of a risk’ because they’ve had the jab but essentially the same as a non jabbed person? Or what?

It all seems a bit of a farce.

Most people won't know if they have vaccine acquired antibodies or not. So it's not practical to treat them differently at present.

I can't get overly concerned about non medically exempt unvaccinated adults having to still self isolate if they are a close contact. It's a consequence of a decision they made. All decisions have pros and cons.

[quote bumbleymummy]@WrongKindOfFace yes, 6 months for most although hiqa recebtky recommended that Ireland extend it to 9 months based on increasing evidence of durable immunity after infection.

I wonder how often boosters will have to be given to keep vaccine status valid.[/quote]
hiqa also recommend that people who have previously had COVID are vaccinated