What happens to unvaccinated people when self isolation stops for the vaccinated?

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I've been looking for info on what happens to unvaccinated people from Monday when self isolation ends for the vaccinated. Presumably they still have to self isolate? Are people going to have to prove they are double vaccinated in order to avoid self isolation?
Are unvaccinated people going to get time off work to self isolate while vaccinated people need to go in?
I am vaccinated and will be happy not to self isolate but I am wondering practically how it's all going to work.

In my nursery we are all vaccinated except one of us
We all know the vaccination status of everyone else- it’s a small nursery
I expect if one of us tested positive the vaccinated would continue to work with PCR tests and the unvaccinated one would have to self isolate and go on to statutory sick pay

Seriously? Who gives a shit?

@Mojoj

Seriously? Who gives a shit?

I do actually. Why should the one vehement anti-vaxxer get to work from home (no commute or the associated costs) because they choose not to have the vaccine, while myself and others still have to go into work?

Agreeing with a PP too, it'd be an easy way to get some extra time off I guess.

They die.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

They die.

That is a little over the top, don't you think?

@XenoBitch

Not really. They won’t all die of course. But they will die in a disproportionate amount to the vaccinated. Especially the over 40s, especially if the NHS is on its knees.

[quote Itsprobablynotcominghome]@XenoBitch

Not really. They won’t all die of course. But they will die in a disproportionate amount to the vaccinated. Especially the over 40s, especially if the NHS is on its knees.[/quote]
Only because the most at risk people have been vaccinated. The risk of death from Covid has not suddenly gone up in young people.

My school asked us to inform them of vaccine status and dates of vaccines.

@XenoBitch

Only 95% of the over 55s in England (roughly) have had two doses. That leaves about 1m people who have had 0 doses. Maybe these folks have had covid, maybe they thought we’d reach herd immunity. Who can say. But these 1m people are going to likely contract covid in the next 6-9 months. Not sure 55+ age group deaths will be made up of 5% of unvaccinated folks…it will be several times higher for sure. I guess these punks must be feeling lucky.

If the amount of people needing to isolate goes down by say 80+% then and growing daily (because 100% of children don’t need to), will there be more checks on the few that DO need to isolate do you think? Or maybe the whole checking thing will be wound down.

I have to say, not having to isolate if I get T&Ted is a huge benefit to me from being vaccinated. As carrots and sticks go, I guess it’s a good one..

[quote Itsprobablynotcominghome]@XenoBitch

Only 95% of the over 55s in England (roughly) have had two doses. That leaves about 1m people who have had 0 doses. Maybe these folks have had covid, maybe they thought we’d reach herd immunity. Who can say. But these 1m people are going to likely contract covid in the next 6-9 months. Not sure 55+ age group deaths will be made up of 5% of unvaccinated folks…it will be several times higher for sure. I guess these punks must be feeling lucky.[/quote]
Your personal risk of death from Covid does not go up because other people have been vaccinated.

You can only transmit if you have the virus.

Same applies to unvaccinated people. They might also be immune after infection - shouldn’t immune-after-infection people also be treated the same?

@Kitcat122

My school asked us to inform them of vaccine status and dates of vaccines.

So does my employer but they can't compel you to tell them.

Their chances of coming into contact with multiple people with high viral loads will be greater than ever.

Last winter we locked down for pretty much all of Nov to March. We won’t be doing that again. Their personal risk is higher because their chances of contracting covid are higher.

I guess they'll do whatever the law says they have to, like most of them have been doing all along? Do I care who has or hasn't been vaccinated at work? No, just like I never xared if they'd had any other vaccine.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

Their chances of coming into contact with multiple people with high viral loads will be greater than ever.

Last winter we locked down for pretty much all of Nov to March. We won’t be doing that again. Their personal risk is higher because their chances of contracting covid are higher.

Risk of catching and risk of dying are not the same thing.

Their personal risk is higher because their chances of contracting covid are higher.
I had covid symptoms in March 2020, two positive antibody tests, September 2020 and June 2021. I don't think I'm at increased risk of catching it now. Even when my antibodies finally go I will still have other immunity.

@Tootsey11

It has been proven that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated transmitted at the same level.

Well maybe. It was one study . But even if vaccinated infected people transmit as much as unvaccinated ones, vaccinated people are still less likely to be infected in the first place . This is still true .

You can't transmit something you don't have so vaccinated people on average are definitely are less likely to transmit Covid just because they are less likely to be infected in the first place.

@bumbleymummy

You can only transmit if you have the virus.

Same applies to unvaccinated people. They might also be immune after infection - shouldn’t immune-after-infection people also be treated the same?

Maybe. But since they declined the free vaccine, they should prove their immunity at their cost.

@XenoBitch

“Risk of catching and risk of dying are not the same thing.”

Read this over a few times.

No where have I said if you get covid your chance of dying are greater. You added that in somewhere and then used it to argue against me.

I have said these people are much more likely to contract covid than winter 2020/21, and late winter 2019/20. Therefore, their overall chances dying are greater than at any point to date.

Unless Professor Sir Andy Pollard is wrong, I guess.

I see the social divide is well and truly underway. Frightening really that a govt push of a drug that is not completing long term trials until 2023 can cause such social divide and feeling of superiority among those who choose to be part of the trial

Maybe. But since they declined the free vaccine, they should prove their immunity at their cost.

Some countries count a record of previous infection as proof of immunity.

"Some countries count a record of previous infection as proof of immunity."

Every country is different. Some countries vaccinate children over 12. You can't pick and choose only what you like, really. But we never know, maybe they may change their mind and do as other countries do.

I am (happily) vaccinated but very, very unhappy about this division and concerned about the unpleasant comments towards the unvaccinated.

I oppose vaccine passports and oppose bullying over vaccine status.

@bumbleymummy

Maybe. But since they declined the free vaccine, they should prove their immunity at their cost.

Some countries count a record of previous infection as proof of immunity.

Only recent infection though. For France, for example, the infections must have been less than than 180 days ago, I think.