What happens to unvaccinated people when self isolation stops for the vaccinated?

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I've been looking for info on what happens to unvaccinated people from Monday when self isolation ends for the vaccinated. Presumably they still have to self isolate? Are people going to have to prove they are double vaccinated in order to avoid self isolation?
Are unvaccinated people going to get time off work to self isolate while vaccinated people need to go in?
I am vaccinated and will be happy not to self isolate but I am wondering practically how it's all going to work.

I thought the rules didn't change for unvaccinated adults. I suspect that is the carrot the government are hoping will increase vaccination.

I assume T &T will have access to people's vaccination status. To be honest I can't see many unvaccinated isolating, if they don't see covid important enough to be vaccinated against they're unlikely to isolate themselves because of it too. (Disclaimer, I do not include those unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons in this assumption, just the ones who think they don't need it)

It doesn't seem very clear to me. I agree that many unvaccinated people will not self isolate in their personal lives (I also exclude anyone who medically can't have a vaccine or is especially anxious) but will they be able to go to work?
I know an unvaccinated teacher. What will happen to her if she is a close contact at school? Do schools even know the vaccine status of their employees?

I guess if they are unvaccinated then contacted by T&T they will be told it's still mandatory to isolate. Surely it's then it's down to the employee to tell the employer that they have to by law isolate because of their status.

I never thought about the unvaccinated. My one adult DS has only had one vaccine so would have to isolate and my other DS will be 2 weeks after second next week.

I was wondering about this too. It will make it more likely that employers will prefer to employ vaccinated people I imagine.

If you are vaccinated, nothing to worry about, surely? Why the interest in something irrelevant to you? If the teacher is unvaccinated, what will be the case for her is non of your business unless she/he is your dc's teacher?

@illuyankas

If you are vaccinated, nothing to worry about, surely? Why the interest in something irrelevant to you? If the teacher is unvaccinated, what will be the case for her is non of your business unless she/he is your dc's teacher?

Loads of things that aren't my business interest me. I just gave her as an example of someone in a workplace. I thought perhaps that people's vaccine status would remain personal to them, that's harder if there is a requirement to self isolate.

I just feel like that vaccinated people speculating what would happen to unvaccinated people would aggravate the divide even more, pushing them even further.

I don't know if T&T have access to vaccination status. I assumed that the law requiring a close contact to self-isolate if not fully vaccinated was the motivation for the close contact to tell their employer they had to isolate and to isolate, because not to do so would be an offence.
It doesn't really matter whether T&T or employer know the vaccination status because the law requires the close contact to isolate and not to do so is an offence. So as with most law, it is the sole responsibility of the close contact.
As regards it not being any of business, your individual vaccination status may not be my business, but the overall concept and government planning (or lack of this) to manage the new situation they have created is of general interest.

Those who choose not to be jabbed will have to just get on with it. If they don’t isolate and get caught then they’ll be fined.

Don’t really care tbh.

The unvaccinated are a) more likely to catch covid and b) much more likely to transmit.
Anyone who tests positive whether vaxxed or unvaxed still has to isolate at the very least and at worst can be very ill. So transmission is important.
The vaccinated can still catch it, more likley from an unvaccinated person so it's of great interest to me.

The unvaccinated will still have to isolate as it’s only adults who have been double jabbed within 14 days or children. If you have only had 1 vaccine or none you isolate.

If you ignore then on your head be it but I suspect those that refuse the vaccine aren’t bothered anyway .

I don't think we are paying unvaccinated to isolate. Not unless there's a compelling reason

Its definately a very interesting question that needs to be clearly answered.

In my workplace for example, we have some double vaxxed (me included), some single vaxxed (due to young age), one with no vax due to medical conditions and one fervent anti-vaxxer (down the YouTube wormhole, protests, sheeple, you name it).

My employer is incredibly flexible with WFH, they have been amazing. I only use it when I have had childcare issues but this has smoothed out now. Various others have been WFH when poorly or suffering covid vaccine side effects. We have had no positive cases among staff yet. How should the anti-vaxxer be treated? Should they be allowed the flexibility to WFH due to a choice they have made when the rest of us have to schlepp to the office? Obviously, the employee with medical exemption should be allowed the flexibility, that would not be an issue for my workplace.

I don't know the answers obviously but it needs to be cleared up whether on a national level or on a business by business basis.

Interesting ethically as it's going to be much more difficult to keep vaccine status private in a workplace.

So say in a nursery a child tests positive.
Everyone working in that room double vax goes to get tested and returns to work if PCR negative.
Except Susan as she can't as she's not vaccinated. She may not be comfortable with discussing this with colleagues but it's pretty obvious she's either got Covid or unvaccinated

@latissimusdorsi

Interesting ethically as it's going to be much more difficult to keep vaccine status private in a workplace.

So say in a nursery a child tests positive.
Everyone working in that room double vax goes to get tested and returns to work if PCR negative.
Except Susan as she can't as she's not vaccinated. She may not be comfortable with discussing this with colleagues but it's pretty obvious she's either got Covid or unvaccinated

This. It is just going to cause further divide. Personally, I wont be comfortable sharing with space with someone who has been identified as a close contact, vaccinated or not.

Under the updated guidance for schools/nurseries I don't think anyone will count as a close contact in education settings anyway. Plus non of the children (under 18 years 4 months) will need to isolate even if unvaccinated, so one extra member of staff probably won't make that much difference...

Other workplaces may be more concerned about vaccination status. But as a teacher I'm resigned to having lots of contact with unvaccinated close contacts of cases and hoping my previous infection and two doses of the vaccine help prevent me getting ill again. (I was too unwell to work for a month last time and would feel pretty guilty if I had to have that much time off in term time, last time was mainly over Christmas so I didn't miss too much school.)

@Unanananana

Its definately a very interesting question that needs to be clearly answered.

In my workplace for example, we have some double vaxxed (me included), some single vaxxed (due to young age), one with no vax due to medical conditions and one fervent anti-vaxxer (down the YouTube wormhole, protests, sheeple, you name it).

My employer is incredibly flexible with WFH, they have been amazing. I only use it when I have had childcare issues but this has smoothed out now. Various others have been WFH when poorly or suffering covid vaccine side effects. We have had no positive cases among staff yet. How should the anti-vaxxer be treated? Should they be allowed the flexibility to WFH due to a choice they have made when the rest of us have to schlepp to the office? Obviously, the employee with medical exemption should be allowed the flexibility, that would not be an issue for my workplace.

I don't know the answers obviously but it needs to be cleared up whether on a national level or on a business by business basis.

Your office sounds very similar to mine. Most 1 vaxxed due to age, some double vaxxed and 2 staff members choosing not to have the vaccine (no medical reasons, both loud proud anti vaxxers). They have been told to come to the office like everyone else and im dreading it incase I catch something from them as they (apparently) catch it easier than vaccinated. Also they decline masks and mix in protest circles so are around more people than me. I would rather they stay at home for the time being.

It has been proven that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated transmitted at the same level.

If you get sick pay, and are unvaccinated, not much insentive to do so if you can't work from home, a handy 10 extra days off a couple of times a year?

DH work place have stipulated you must work from home - regular fleas of vaccine IF there is a positive case at home.

I think businesses will need a stringent vaccine policy - either WFH or no pay.

@Tootsey11

It has been proven that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated transmitted at the same level.

Vaccination does reduce transmission to some degree.

@Tootsey11

It has been proven that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated transmitted at the same level.

I agree that's true both vaccinated and unvaccinated covid positive person can transmit at similar degree from recent studies, but the difference is, the vaccinated person has low chance of catching covid in the first place, that makes quite a difference. You can only transmit if you have the virus.