People always on to the next thing

[DottyHarmer]

Now I see it’s antibodies. Lots of posters claiming that they, their dp, their neighbour and their neighbour’s dustman’s aunt have no antibodies from their vaccine. Some people fail to develop antibodies, but all of them appear to be on Mumsnet….

There’s always a panic du jour, from worrying about catching covid from an Amazon parcel, to long covid 3hours after being exposed. 18 months of panics which drop off active convos as soon as something else turns up which affects a surprising number of people on here.

It’s thoroughly exhausting.

@Tealightsandd where are you getting this data ?
And what is considered long covid ? One thinG i read said 4 weeks ?
Surely its too early to tell yet for many

Here we go!

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tealightsandd mmm even countries who dealt with it and had closed borders are now dealing with delta strain ??
We know its real , we know its horrible but most of us know we now have to live with it, maybe that isn't great but that is what it is, and cases and hospitalisations seem to be going down, and I for one hope that is because vaccines etc are working and we are seeing the back of this as some of us have to think positively [/quote]
It’s been staggering/ scary to watch how quickly the spread in New South Wales from a single case has progressed. They are in a pretty heavy lockdown but cases are increasing every day. This Delta variant cannot be quashed entirely by lockdown and the only route out seems to be vaccine and then accepting a certain amount of cases. The case for zero covid strategy seems to have been blown out the water (unless we all jump in a time machine and lock our borders in early 2020).

Tealightsandd mmm even countries who dealt with it and had closed borders are now dealing with delta strain ??

dealing with being the key words. Taking strict action at hundreds of cases... aiming to prevent it getting to UK levels of hundreds of thousands. Oh, and it's only certain parts of Australia (if that's where you're referring to).

@Snookie00 yes I read something about that I just hope the virus becomes just like the common cold and mostly minor so we all can get our lifes back , I know its probably wishful thinking but I need to concentrate on positive things .

@Tealightsandd yes it may only be certain parts but if you still think you can compare uk/ europe with australia then I rest my case
People always compare with places so different, europe is similar in many ways and have had similar outcomes.
Do I think we could of done things better , yes of course , do I agree with everything the goverment have done , no not at all.
But do i think the uk could of done an australia/ new zealand - no

This Delta variant cannot be quashed entirely by lockdown

It can. It depends on where there's a will to or not.

The fact that parts of Sydney have put in place a strict lockdown at 100s of cases shows the difference between their approach and the UK. They, unlike the UK, are less willing to accept Other People's deaths and Long Covid disabilities.

Oh - and they probably also have the brains to realise that suppress and contain isn't just about saving lives and health from Delta. It's also about reducing the risk of an even more dangerous variant mutating. As experts have warned, there's a risk of a strain developing that could kill 1 in 3. High levels of transmission increase that risk. So yes mitigation measures really are important.

It's about mitigation. Taking action to limit the risks.

If it really is true that UK cases are down, than now is the time to act - to put mitigation measures in place, to plan and prepare (including the booster jab programme), to ensure that everything reasonable has been done to keep numbers as low as possible. That means simple and easy things like masks in crowded and enclosed public spaces.

Australia and NZ don't have 10,000 lorries (and their drivers) entering through one port (Dover) alone and a land border with mainland Europe.

There was never any realistic prospect that the U.K. could successfully pursue a zero covid strategy without widespread systemic changes to things like supply chains which would not have been possible in anything close to the necessary time frames.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tealightsandd yes it may only be certain parts but if you still think you can compare uk/ europe with australia then I rest my case
People always compare with places so different, europe is similar in many ways and have had similar outcomes.
Do I think we could of done things better , yes of course , do I agree with everything the goverment have done , no not at all.
But do i think the uk could of done an australia/ new zealand - no [/quote]
I disagree. Of course we could have done the same as East Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and much of Africa - and put in place pandemic border control. NYC is usually an international travel hub. That changed during the pandemic. British exceptionalism included, it's all about choice.

Yes, the choice not to allow the U.K. population to suffer a major supply crisis.

@Sunshinegirl82

Australia and NZ don't have 10,000 lorries (and their drivers) entering through one port (Dover) alone and a land border with mainland Europe.

There was never any realistic prospect that the U.K. could successfully pursue a zero covid strategy without widespread systemic changes to things like supply chains which would not have been possible in anything close to the necessary time frames.

1000s of lorries is easier to track and manage than adding additional millions of non essential travellers on top.

Zero Covid absolutely was possible (worldwide) - but even if that was too much hard woek for too many, what certainly was and is possible (and what the WHO calls for) is suppress and contain.

There's a world of difference between zero, versus completely unmitigated spread.

*work

There hasn't been "completely unmitigated spread" though, has there?

Zero covid worldwide? "Too much work"? Are you out of your tree?!

If you genuinely believe that zero covid was logistically possible worldwide (even in countries where the necessary lockdowns would have resulted in people, you know, starving to death) then I'm not sure there's much more to be said to be honest. I can't really take someone who genuinely believes that seriously.

@Tealightsandd well I still disagree with you and think comparing the wrong countries, why not compare is to European countries, who we are more alike to? Also how was zero covid worldwide possible? Many countries could not do that due to finances , population size etc - its just not realistic once it had spread to other countries at the beginning , when the who
Were saying no need to shut borders

@Tealightsandd sorry but the booster plan is in action its been all over the news but they kind of needed a booster jab first, these all take time and immense planning .

@Tealightsandd what mitigatiins do you still want in place ? Lockdown?

@Tealightsandd I think also australia has a third of uk population spread over a larger area , and states can be shutdown
I live 2 miles from my nearest border one way and 15 miles from another border , they are such vastly different countries
When we had tiers my home address was one tier , my work another and my dh another

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tealightsandd what mitigatiins do you still want in place ? Lockdown? [/quote]
Mitigation measures would reduce the need for lockdown.

What measures? I'd say the CDC and FDA advice is a good starting point. Masks indoors. And pandemic border control, i.e. essential travel only.

Are you out of your tree?!

I like trees. But I'm not a bird (I like birds too) so I think you're right. I would fall out of a tree if I tried to live in one.

@Tealightsandd tbf where I live pretty much all are still wearing masks indoors

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tealightsandd sorry but the booster plan is in action its been all over the news but they kind of needed a booster jab first, these all take time and immense planning .
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Well yes. Like I said, it's some good news.

I have no idea why posters are citing the covid cases in Australia and New Zealand. They are not comparable to UK.

I am an ICU nurse. Covid cases are admitted onto my ward. I have reached the point where I don’t care if people have refused their vaccination. We had 8 unvaccinated people ventilated on my ward before I went off on leave last week. Whether they are still breathing when I return next next week isn’t my problem.

Those who are above the vaccine can expect all that’s coming to them. Nobody cares tbh. That’s all.

Hopefully fully vaccinated Boris Johnson's obvious fertility will help reassure some of the vaccine hesitant.

Many countries could not do that due to finances , population size etc

It's history now, but (for the sake of future historians - if the robots don't kill humans off) just a point about the above. Some of the countries that took a zero Covid approach are both poorer than the UK and as or more densely populated (I'm talking about Asian and African countries, not Aus or NZ).