If they're only giving boosters to the vulnerable, what will happen to covid passes?

[LG93]

Sorry if this has already been covered, but if they're only doing boosters for the most vulnerable in the same style as flu jabs, what will happen to the covid passes/everyone else?! Is it only going to be a short lived scheme of by next summer when everyone else's jabs are a year old will they just accept that still despite the fact it's presumably worn off by then?

Each year the flu jab is delivered to all those who are eligible and willing, and broadly cover those individuals who are considered vulnerable to covid too. If you can administer both at the same time then I imagine that goes some way to slimlining the logistics and dependency on volunteers?

@Lauras315

Correction original wuhan virus not varaint. You see this is why the vaccines will never work against a coronavirus. It simply mutates too fast and this one even more probably as it's from a biolab so you wil never outpace it with the vaccine which will only work for a few month then require boosters then will also be accelerating the selction pressure on the virus and before you know it we have a virus with a 10% ifr for everyone

Can you advise what your qualifications are that mean you know all this over scientists actually working on vaccines?

Does anyone not think that three injections in the space of 8 months
Is a bit overkill?

Oops
Unfortunate use of words there .

But come on. Three jabs for the same illness seems literally like a stab in the dark.

I imagine they’ll combine the flu with covid jabs
The vulnerable will have them annually as always and everyone else will pay

@shewalkslikerihanna

Does anyone not think that three injections in the space of 8 months Is a bit overkill?

Oops
Unfortunate use of words there .

But come on. Three jabs for the same illness seems literally like a stab in the dark.

I really doubt long term we will be getting three jabs a year.

I suspect in time it will be like the flu jab, only those deemed vulnerable will get their free annual booster jab, and everyone else who wants it will have to pay.

It’s only because Covid is so new that they are offering the jab to so many people.

@shewalkslikerihanna

Does anyone not think that three injections in the space of 8 months Is a bit overkill?

Oops
Unfortunate use of words there .

But come on. Three jabs for the same illness seems literally like a stab in the dark.

@shewalkslikerihanna what do you actually mean by this statement though? It's bizarre to suggest the idea that three vaccinations for a disease is a "stab in the dark".

This isn't uncommon, hepatitis B requires three vaccinations to gain robust immunity (and sometimes more depending on the person).

It's a novel virus for which people do not have immunity in the same way the do for 'flu, hence why multiple immunisations are needed this year for a decent amount of protection. It's not an argument against the vaccines or proof that they are "a stab in the dark".

Pharmacies have been told they can offer the covid booster jab and do it at the same time as the flu jab this autumn

I thought they were waiting for the trial into to be completed which is due this month. I've posted the report that has been sent out to the NHS further up which includes all the group's that will be vaxed in phase 1 and 2, and they are just waiting for the go ahead. It also sets out where and who will be able to administer it.

@SophieGiroux

Pharmacies have been told they can offer the covid booster jab and do it at the same time as the flu jab this autumn

Source?

Agree with a pp that I won't be having any boosters yet. I got my 2 jabs on the premise that we would be allowed to travel, that hasn't happened, so I don't see the point in any booster. The idea of domestic vaccine passports is anathema to me btw.

Slightly suspicious of the freebies to be offered to get youngsters to have the jab as well. I read somewhere that the next variant is likely to affect children severely, just in time to offer them jabs.

I'm not an anti vaxxer, as I say, DH and I have both been fully jabbed. DD is waiting for her 2nd jab, I don't want ds13 to have it though.

@Canigooutyet
None of the trials finish until 2023

@riveted1
Your argument does not make sense

Two in less than 6 months should’ve been more than enough

Three in 8 months?
Will it be 4 in 12 months?

And so on as infinitum.....

People are still saying they haven’t got the lives back they were promised
So when is that going to be
This year?
Next year?
Sometime?
Never?

I hope the requirements for vaccinations / travel will slowly fade as Covid becomes normalised and just one of many respiratory illnesses. They can't keep this up forever. And I have to say I'm not signed up to having annual boosters ...

@NotSoLongGoodbye

I hope the requirements for vaccinations / travel will slowly fade as Covid becomes normalised and just one of many respiratory illnesses. They can't keep this up forever. And I have to say I'm not signed up to having annual boosters ...

In time I suspect it will, however it is going to take time.

Since we haven’t been working together on a global scale, all countries are currently on different paths.

@RoseAndRose

www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/publication/community-pharmacy-local-enhanced-service-specification-phase-3-coronavirus-vaccination/

[quote shewalkslikerihanna]@riveted1
Your argument does not make sense

Two in less than 6 months should’ve been more than enough

Three in 8 months?
Will it be 4 in 12 months?

And so on as infinitum.....

People are still saying they haven’t got the lives back they were promised
So when is that going to be
This year?
Next year?
Sometime?
Never?[/quote]
What about my explanation doesn't make sense @shewalkslikerihanna? As I said it's a novel virus for which people do not have prior immunity in the same way the do for 'flu, hence why multiple immunisations are needed this year for a decent amount of protection. It's not an argument against the vaccines or proof that they are "a stab in the dark".

On what basis are you deciding it's too many vaccinations and that "two in less than 6 months is enough"? I gave you the example of hepatitis B, which is three shots in a shorter time window. Babies at very high risk are given a course of 6 (shock!). HCWs often have a repeated dose. This really isn't unusual in vaccinology.

You can't expect them to have thought that far ahead, bumbling Boris doesn't do that!

As a practice nurse who does the flu clinics every year, we've yet to even be told whether we are expected to be giving the Covid boosters alongside.
Don't know how that will work when we don't have enough fridges for extra vaccines, no extra space to put extra fridges and insufficient staff to get the Pfizer out to people at the rate I expect it will need to be given once out of specialised cold storage.

Not a good idea to have the flu and covid booster together,
if you get a reaction you wouldn't know which had caused it.

I had a reaction to the second AZ vac, it lasted over 3 months and I needed a course of prednisone to reduce the joint pains and inflammation.
I had a similar reaction, but not quite so bad, to the flu jab 20 years ago and not had it (or flu) since.

@TeloMere

Not a good idea to have the flu and covid booster together, if you get a reaction you wouldn't know which had caused it.

I had a reaction to the second AZ vac, it lasted over 3 months and I needed a course of prednisone to reduce the joint pains and inflammation.
I had a similar reaction, but not quite so bad, to the flu jab 20 years ago and not had it (or flu) since.

Well, this is what is being trialled

A whole team of experts are working out whether the benefit/risk profile of having both together compared to seperately

From what I heard this autumns booster jabs are likely to be done at pharmacies and vaccination centers. No mention of GPs.

I would imagine they want GPs to focus on the extended flu vaccine program.