If they're only giving boosters to the vulnerable, what will happen to covid passes?

[LG93]

Sorry if this has already been covered, but if they're only doing boosters for the most vulnerable in the same style as flu jabs, what will happen to the covid passes/everyone else?! Is it only going to be a short lived scheme of by next summer when everyone else's jabs are a year old will they just accept that still despite the fact it's presumably worn off by then?

I mean you can just look at the increase in cases in all of the countries that have the highest percentage of vaccinated population to see (iceland/malta/israel/UK/Gibraltar)
In all of them the cases have completely sky rocketed and it is clear the vaccine has no impact in stopping new cases I mean hello?
the USA are only counting vaccinted cases if they are hospitalized yet counting all other unvaccinated cases so that data is not useful for judging.

edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html

The article linked states 'Vaccination alone won't stop the rise of new variants and in fact could push the evolution of strains that evade their protection, researchers warned Friday.' So yeah seeing the explosion in cases with the highest vaccination rates m I do not really see the point in continuing to vaccinate those least at risk from covid and especially non vulnerable kids and bringing in vaccine passports when it does not stop transmission and social distancing, masks and other NPIs will still need to be in place as stated in the study the vaccinated are putting selction pressure on the virus to mutate...

Also look at this www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
Completely shoots down the idea of any vaccine passport being effective. Also this area had a vaccination rate of 77%

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Posting this again. It's about the passport. It's really interesting and was compiled not that long ago. Haven't seen it yet picked up by the media.

A little snippet from the link

4. Having considered a wide range of evidence as part of the review, the Government has concluded that it will not mandate the use of COVID-status certification as a condition of entry for visitors to any setting at the present time.

They didn’t mandate the vaccine either but look where we are with that.

@Lauras315

Also look at this www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html Completely shoots down the idea of any vaccine passport being effective. Also this area had a vaccination rate of 77%

An interesting paragraph from the report worth copying in full here I think.

"According to the state, the breakthrough cases represent 0.15% of the 4,351,752 people who have been fully vaccinated in Massachusetts. The hospitalized breakthrough cases represent 0.009% of fully vaccinated individuals; the deaths 0.002%."

Lol. Like I have said previously the US are not tracking ANY breakthrough cases unless they are hospitalized yet they are tracking ALL recorded cases in the unvaccinated. thus how would they have any data showing otherwise? Thanks for falling for obvious data manipulation lol

The USA also claimed it was 99% vaccinated in hospital yet never released the data that showed that or said how many people it was. That data also contradicts the data from every other country in the world lol

@Lauras315

Lol. Like I have said previously the US are not tracking ANY breakthrough cases unless they are hospitalized yet they are tracking ALL recorded cases in the unvaccinated. thus how would they have any data showing otherwise? Thanks for falling for obvious data manipulation lol

I don't think it's me 🤣

What’s the current hospitalisation rate in MA? It was 0.007% in the U.K. last week.(ONS).

In COVID confirmed patients.

@Lauras315 will say it again as seems this misinformation seems to be repeated endlessly.

You cannot pass COVID on if you are not infected with it. Vaccine efficacy is a measure of how many people develop the disease they're been vaccinated against.

If the COVID vaccines made no difference in preventing people getting COVID (as people are repeatedly claiming) their efficacy would be 0%. In trials, a vaccine must have at least 50% efficacy to be approved.

Yes delta has reduced the efficacy down somewhat, somewhere near ~80% from all pooled data. But that means only 20% of those vaccinated will have the opportunity to pass on COVID, which is markedly better than 100%.

Well sorry you have. You quoted statistics without disclosing that no vaccinated cases have been recorded yet presented it as if it had. So sorry but that is misinformation and obfuscation

[quote riveted1]@Lauras315 will say it again as seems this misinformation seems to be repeated endlessly.

You cannot pass COVID on if you are not infected with it. Vaccine efficacy is a measure of how many people develop the disease they're been vaccinated against.

If the COVID vaccines made no difference in preventing people getting COVID (as people are repeatedly claiming) their efficacy would be 0%. In trials, a vaccine must have at least 50% efficacy to be approved.

Yes delta has reduced the efficacy down somewhat, somewhere near ~80% from all pooled data. But that means only 20% of those vaccinated will have the opportunity to pass on COVID, which is markedly better than 100%.[/quote]
The trials were based on the wuhan variant. This is the delta variant and Israel after 4 months are showing that went from 95% to 25% so no they do not work for transmission unless you are ok getting booster shots every 4 months thus putting even more selction pressure on the virus to mutate to a more deadly disease as any scientist and SAGE have pointed out

Correction original wuhan virus not varaint. You see this is why the vaccines will never work against a coronavirus. It simply mutates too fast and this one even more probably as it's from a biolab so you wil never outpace it with the vaccine which will only work for a few month then require boosters then will also be accelerating the selction pressure on the virus and before you know it we have a virus with a 10% ifr for everyone

Laura- as kindly as possibly. You clearly understand nothing, of what you are saying, and are just googling madly, copying and pasting bits that suit your anti-vax status, and are contradicting YOURSELF on almost every post.

YOU keep providing links from articles on the vaccinated. Then say we are all falling for the scam because no data on the vaccinated has been recorded! Is it Schroedinger's Data?

Seriously, as I'm sure others will testify, it IS possible to have a sparring match between people who are polar opposites on the vaccine front. But with a fool- well, one wastes one's time and the fool enjoys it.

Kindly I think you do not understand... the study I linked was a study on vaccinated people however the CDC are not recording cases of vaccinated people catching covid unless they end up in hospital but are recording all cases in the unvaccinated. Therefore the statistics artificially appear as if no vaccinated people are contracting covid which as we can see from iceland/uk/israel/gibraltar/Malta that this is simply not the case...anyway feel free to insult me some more and call me anti vaxx when I have had every vaccine available plus more lol. Pretty redundant accusation usually made by those who have no understanding of science or of the situation we are in now. You do realise that you are allowed to critique the pandemic response and vaccines themselves and not be an 'anti- vaxxer' how infantile

Here some examples of how being vaccinated does nothing in stopping or reducing transmission...Remeber the vaccines are based on the original wuhan strain and naturally the virus will mutate to evade this immune response as it faces selection pressure to do so. As per sage it is inevitable these vaccines will face a total immune escape. Making vaccination passports are nothing to do with public health and safety as can be seen below, tests are the only real thing that could help -
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617.amp
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/covid-san-francisco-hospital-delta.amp.html
www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/cape-cod-covid-19-outbreak-delta-variant.html
www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/asia/singapore-covid-restrictions.html

@Lauras315

Correction original wuhan virus not varaint. You see this is why the vaccines will never work against a coronavirus. It simply mutates too fast and this one even more probably as it's from a biolab so you wil never outpace it with the vaccine which will only work for a few month then require boosters then will also be accelerating the selction pressure on the virus and before you know it we have a virus with a 10% ifr for everyone

@Lauras315

There are so many errors in this post I don't know where to begin. Genetics is complex and you can't just wade into it and start making definitive statements based on a couple of articles you've read.

The fact that it originated from a lab does not mean it has a faster mutation rate than if it had originated from a wet market. There is no evidence that the material coding for it's RNA polymerase has been genetically engineered.

As an aside @Lauras315, the worlds leading experts in virology, immunology etc are all recommending mass vaccination as the best method we have to control the pandemic including minimising the risk of new variants.

Presumably you do not have comparable qualifications or experience in these fields, so what makes you think you know better?

Boosters for health care workers, over 50s and extremely vulnerable

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9849067/ALL-50s-clinically-vulnerable-offered-Pfizer-booster-shot.html

I feel this is going to result in you linking "evidence" from those are opposed to vaccination like Geert Vanden Bossche.

They are not leading experts, and many better qualified have explained why their views are not based on robust science.

I’m not having a booster. I had the first 2 jabs only because I wanted to travel and that’s so complicated/risky right now it’s not worth it. I barely go anywhere else. I was wfh already, don’t attend gyms, pubs, anything like that. I’m not just going to be endlessly jabbed over and over. Whenever travel is properly allowed again, whenever that may be, I’ll see what the requirements are then.

I'm barely over my last covid jab, if it is before Christmas for the next it's barely 6 months, not too keen on the flu jab either that they will want to do at the same time. It used to be over 65 or CV for flu jab so I will wait a couple of years for that also when I get to 65. I had to travel 15 miles for my vaccinations, I'm not doing that every 6 months or less. I wonder how long the government will have the goodwill of all the volunteers to oversee the endless jabbing, surely sometime soon they will have to employ people properly to do this.