If they're only giving boosters to the vulnerable, what will happen to covid passes?

[LG93]

Sorry if this has already been covered, but if they're only doing boosters for the most vulnerable in the same style as flu jabs, what will happen to the covid passes/everyone else?! Is it only going to be a short lived scheme of by next summer when everyone else's jabs are a year old will they just accept that still despite the fact it's presumably worn off by then?

It was the recent cdc study that showed that infected vaccinated people were spreading the same as unvaccinated people.

@bumbleymummy

It was the recent cdc study that showed that infected vaccinated people were spreading the same as unvaccinated people.

And also that vaccinated people are between 65 and 85% less likely to be infected in the first place. Which is pretty good odds. Isn't it?

@riveted1

It was a stupid idea to begin with, that clearly has nothing to do with reducing spread, but people have just gone along with it without thinking of the long term implications

Not sure why this is still being touted - vaccination drastically reduces your chance of passing on COVID. Requiring vaccination for events is therefore one measure that can be used to reduce transmission.

Doesn't mean it's the correct policy to use, but to state they would have no impact on spread is ludicrous.

Unfortunately recent new research this week is showing that being vaxx doesn’t stop you catching or passing it on anymore than unvaxxed. Being vaxxed will almost certainly prevent serious illness though

Unfortunately recent new research this week is showing that being vaxx doesn’t stop you catching or passing it on anymore than unvaxxed.

nope @OnTheBrink1 you have misunderstood the CDC study, but to be fair it was reported terribly by the NY times

vaccines have around a 80% efficacy (i.e., ~80% of people do not catch COVID once vaccinated). In the remaining 20%, yes they can still transmit it, but this is markedly better than in 100% of all vaccinated people.

In addition, there is evidence that being vaccinated reduces transmission if you are infectious. This was actually observed in the CDC study but it did not reach statistical significance. It is an underpowered study as noted by the authors and therefore wide confidence intervals mean there's a fair amount of uncertainty.

TLDR: you can't transmit COVID if you don't catch it. Vaccines prevent infection in around 80% of cases. This was something the NY times forgot to mention although their headline has since been corrected.

Good question op does it expire on my 1 yeat anniversary of 1st jab,?
Do boosters have be same brand as think read az working on boosters and studies that also protect against beta varient.

Is Israel 🇮🇱 offering boosters to all?

Given fact every other country is vaccinating 12 to 15 as we can see from our own phe surveillance reports they one if highest age group of infection and therefore spread makes sense to vaccinate them unless you the UK.

So my prediction most other countries will aim for boosters for all.
The UK won't they will only offer boosters groups 1-9 who cares about the under 50s or young people under 16 UK government certainly doesn't..

This exception for double jabbed but also exception for under 18s unvaccinated is contradictictory and flawed its not like under 18s are immune from catching and transmitting covid infant UK education system the best breeding ground.

Read on Facebook you can pay for covid jab in Italy if you area tourist.
Don't think in uk we have options even pay privately like chicken pox or travel jabs.

I found this earlier about the passport. It's dated July of this year and really worth a read.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/999408/COVID-Status-Certification-Review-Report.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj80-zHm47yAhUjQkEAHUa2AbM4ChAWegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw19WmVbY2yNAT3k3XggZ_wF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?q=assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/999408/COVID-Status-Certification-Review-Report.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj80-zHm47yAhUjQkEAHUa2AbM4ChAWegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw19WmVbY2yNAT3k3XggZ_wF

The booster will be offered to over 16's who are Cev as part of Phase 1. I would copy the full list but on the kindle and haven't worked out how on the silly reader.

Depending on how the clinical trials have gone the flu vaccine and the booster will be done at the same time.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/07/C1327-covid-19-vaccination-autumn-winter-phase-3-planning.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjl5Jqizo7yAhXCURUIHVf8BYcQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1LizrXIcrOIQR9SxwyLYiL" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?q=www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/07/C1327-covid-19-vaccination-autumn-winter-phase-3-planning.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjl5Jqizo7yAhXCURUIHVf8BYcQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1LizrXIcrOIQR9SxwyLYiL

Israel are leading the way with the booster and a part of their real includes sharing info with the rest of the world. They seem to be doing the over 60's according to this newspaper.

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210729-israel-to-offer-third-coronavirus-booster-shot-for-over-60s

UK is not planning to (re)vaccinate enough people, it'll need to be boosters for all and we should be vaccinating 12+.

Covd passports can't work practically without good coverage, although I'm opposed to them domestically anyway.

Do boosters have be same brand as think read az working on boosters and studies that also protect against beta varient.

It looks like those who had the AZ vacs may be getting a different booster Times article.
Also the Mail is saying that all over 50's will get Pfizer.
Not sure how reliable any of these reports are as AZ could come up with an effective booster.

@Indigopearl

Given they are now saying those vaccinated can transmit covid almost as much as the unvaccinated I don't suppose vaccine passports will be of much use in the medium/long term. I suspect they are just a short term measure to increase vaccine uptake.

Are they saying that? Who is they? Where are they saying that?

All I see on this thread is a handful of the usual suspects bending figures to suit their own agenda. That agenda being to justify their decision not to have the vaccine.

It's clear that while not perfect, vaccines do help to prevent the spread of the virus and reduce serious illness and death in most people.

The UK won't they will only offer boosters groups 1-9 who cares about the under 50s or young people under 16 UK government certainly doesn't.

I think it’s probably more to do with them being low risk and much less likely to end up in hospital than people in groups 1-9. A vaccinated 60 year old is still more at risk than an unvaccinated 30 year old.

@knittingaddict I am very pro vaccine and have had mine. They definitely help with hospitalisations and death but evidence on their impact of transmission of delta is very poor. I have attached the data Sage/PHE is using at present on this. Delta is meant to have 1000x the viral load than previous variants so I think using vaccine passports as a way of saying everyone is safe from transmitting it is a big mistake.

As we can see from PHE there is no good evidence for the effectiveness of preventing infection so the 80% figure is from low confidence data that is not reliable enough to be used to base any policy on and was taken before delta so to use that as the justification for any passport is foolish and there needs to be proper studies done with high confidence. The data from the CDC suggest the vaccines only real use is in preventing hospitalisation and reducing death but do nothing for transmission which is great for those vulnerable who are most at risk from hospitalization/death however since the young say a 25 year old has a 0.01% ifr I do not see how you would justify vaccinating this age at all let alone 12-17 year olds. The govenrment better update the vaccine passports as now there is literally absolutely no credible evidence for the use of them.

Testing should be done instead of vaccine passports in mass events however I doubt anyone will be able to significantly cut the spread considering how transmissable delta is except a lockdown

[quote Indigopearl]@knittingaddict I am very pro vaccine and have had mine. They definitely help with hospitalisations and death but evidence on their impact of transmission of delta is very poor. I have attached the data Sage/PHE is using at present on this. Delta is meant to have 1000x the viral load than previous variants so I think using vaccine passports as a way of saying everyone is safe from transmitting it is a big mistake.[/quote]
That's not what anybody is saying (your last sentence)

@Lauras315

As we can see from PHE there is no good evidence for the effectiveness of preventing infection so the 80% figure is from low confidence data that is not reliable enough to be used to base any policy on and was taken before delta so to use that as the justification for any passport is foolish and there needs to be proper studies done with high confidence. The data from the CDC suggest the vaccines only real use is in preventing hospitalisation and reducing death but do nothing for transmission which is great for those vulnerable who are most at risk from hospitalization/death however since the young say a 25 year old has a 0.01% ifr I do not see how you would justify vaccinating this age at all let alone 12-17 year olds. The govenrment better update the vaccine passports as now there is literally absolutely no credible evidence for the use of them.

You haven't understood the CDC report. Read @riveted1's posts. Put simply: The vaccine stops lots of people from getting Covid You get Covid from someone with Covid If you haven't got Covid, you can't give it to anyone else.

How can I give you a £5 if I haven't got one?

I think the domestic passports are entirely designed to "encourage" young people to be vaccinated, when there's very little medical reason for them, personally, to have it.

They'll be short lived because you can't have a situation where you're restriction life for people who don't have equal opportunity to have a passport.

@Geamhradh exempting people from testing/isolation, gives the impression that vaccinated people are ‘safe’.

@Geamhradh

If you haven't got Covid, you can't give it to anyone else.

Well, yes. We seem to ignore this logic when it comes to unvaccinated people though. They’re assumed ‘unclean’.

Show me credible high confidence data that the vaccine prevents you getting the delta variant? And you do realise those unvaccinated are not always carrying the virus right?

@Lauras315

Show me credible high confidence data that the vaccine prevents you getting the delta variant? And you do realise those unvaccinated are not always carrying the virus right?

You've been shown the former on your other rambling thread. And d'oh, yes, obviously not all the unvaccinated are carrying the virus. It's just fact that the vaccinated are 65-85% less likely to be doing so.

@Lauras315

Show me credible high confidence data that the vaccine prevents you getting the delta variant? And you do realise those unvaccinated are not always carrying the virus right?

Can you show scientific reputable data that proves the contrary?