Spain has highest share of fully vaccinated people of world’s large countries

[Lico]

This is good news.. Spain has highest share of fully vaccinated people of world’s large countries. Vaccination rates will make us all

english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-27/spain-has-highest-share-of-fully-vaccinated-people-of-worlds-large-countries.html

@Lico

^^We may have only vaccinated xx amount but we’ve offered double vaccine to all groups at risk

So have other countries

Untrue. Some countries have a far poorer uptake in higher age groups but have vaxxed 12+ so have lower overall protection

A lot of countries are making fast progress: I think we're approaching the point where attitudes to the vaccine are going to play more of a role than availability.

Ireland is at 70% of adult population fully vaccinated, 85% single shot. Which means that 85% of adults will be fully vaccinated in four weeks. They're planning on rolling out to 12-18 year olds shortly, so schools/universities can re-open, then giving boosters to vulnerable groups from September. Apparently the most pro-vaccine population in Europe which is encouraging.

It feels a great relief. I do agree however there is something very morally problematic about vaccinating the least at-risk groups when there are still so many countries without access to vaccines.

Worry: I am not a scientist, either.
you might bec right regarding the 97% for herd immunity. All countries have different figures varying between 80% and circa 90% for herd immunity.
Each country has different variables for example which variant they have etc.. so figures will vary but generally all above 80% of Total Population for herd immunity.

The Janssen/Johnson vaccine was approved for the under 60s back in May and I'm not retracting that I heard in the news the government was thinking of reserving the one shot vaccines for the over 12s and young people.

english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-12/spanish-health-authorities-approve-the-janssen-vaccine-for-use-among-the-under-60s.html

Leaky:,great news but do you know the % vaccinated for the Total Population (not just adults) in Ireland?

Alondra:
Spain changed their protocol in June. Johnson/Johnson only for the over 40s and NOT for young adults or children.

english.elpais.com/society/2021-06-02/spanish-health-authorities-opt-to-use-the-janssen-vaccine-for-the-40-49-age-group.html

A lot of countries are making fast progress: I think we're approaching the point where attitudes to the vaccine are going to play more of a role than availability

This. We are seeing problems in the US not because availability of vaccine but because many States still have a population of fully vaccinated in the 30% driven by crazy system where vaccines (a medical issue) have become a political stand.

The UK and Spain are very similar in the sense that vaccination has not been a political issue. In Spain, trust in primary health care is very high and the reason why people are getting vaccinated without the government having to resort to other measures. I read yesterday that Spain over 70 population is 100% vaccinated against an average 80% in the rest of Europe. I think the fact we trust our doctors, nurses and pharmacist is behind why vaccination rates are so high.

[quote Lico]Alondra:
Spain changed their protocol in June. Johnson/Johnson only for the over 40s and NOT for young adults or children.

english.elpais.com/society/2021-06-02/spanish-health-authorities-opt-to-use-the-janssen-vaccine-for-the-40-49-age-group.html[/quote]
Thank you for the info, I didn't know. But I did heard in the news, whether it was the Sexta o Antena 3 I can't remember, the government was thinking in reserving the one dose vaccines for the over 12s and young people. We will know very soon when the roll out starts for the over 12s.

@Alondra

A lot of countries are making fast progress: I think we're approaching the point where attitudes to the vaccine are going to play more of a role than availability

This. We are seeing problems in the US not because availability of vaccine but because many States still have a population of fully vaccinated in the 30% driven by crazy system where vaccines (a medical issue) have become a political stand.

The UK and Spain are very similar in the sense that vaccination has not been a political issue. In Spain, trust in primary health care is very high and the reason why people are getting vaccinated without the government having to resort to other measures. I read yesterday that Spain over 70 population is 100% vaccinated against an average 80% in the rest of Europe. I think the fact we trust our doctors, nurses and pharmacist is behind why vaccination rates are so high.

Yes, Spain has very high levels of trust in vaccines, the rate of uptake for children's vaccines is also very very high. Fully innoculated in Spain: 54.7% With one dosis: 65+% Aug 31st goal: 70% Vaccines used: 99.9% of those received By age group: 80+ 100% 70-79 97,9 %, 60-69 87,5 %. 50-59 87,2 % 40-49 72,3 % 30-39 (currently getting 2nd dose) 20-29 (currently getting 1st dose) 12-20 (1st dose before Aug 31st) In my region of Spain, 86.8% of 40+ are fully vaccinated.

www.abc.es/sociedad/abci-vacunacion-espana-datos-porcentajes-poblacion-vacunada-coronavirus-comunidades-nsv-202107201018_noticia_amp.html?fbclid=IwAR2woGqePykz6aE12fS1HHTEtKvYeGyBCXNyDRPBdJcTYgwg8e8N--Ap5So For anyone who can read Spanish

Orange: thanks for this. This is incredible. Brilliant news for Spain

Orangeblossom (azahar, beautiful name and smell). :)

Thank you for giving the stats. I knew the country percentages but not age specified.

covidvax.live/location/gbr

This has us at 55.6% of total population double jabbed
and 68.82% having had one dose.

August 10th is when Wales is projected to hit 70% of entire population double jabbed -Scotland is predicted 30 August - England curently 16 September - it's Northen Ireland that's seems to be behind - not till October.

Given that we aren't vaccinating most of the 21.3% under 18 at the moment - while the decline in number of jabs being done a week is concerning they don't seem terrible figures compared to OrangeBlossomsinthesun Spanish figures.

@randomlyLostInWales

covidvax.live/location/gbr

This has us at 55.6% of total population double jabbed
and 68.82% having had one dose.

August 10th is when Wales is projected to hit 70% of entire population double jabbed -Scotland is predicted 30 August - England curently 16 September - it's Northen Ireland that's seems to be behind - not till October.

Given that we aren't vaccinating most of the 21.3% under 18 at the moment - while the decline in number of jabs being done a week is concerning they don't seem terrible figures compared to OrangeBlossomsinthesun Spanish figures.

No, they aren't bad, but the stats and the news articles show that Spain has the edge over the UK. Not that it's a competition, just that of large countries, Spain is currently doing the best.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

The UK has really slowed down, despite starting well This is purely down to a lower uptake in younger ages there's plenty of vaccine availability for those who want it

For a lot of younger people I am not sure it is totally down to hesitancy - but more not getting round to it.

DD was super keen to get hers because she saw how poorly I was with it, and has vulnerable friends. She went out fof her way, including queueing for hours, to be fully vaccinated before she goes to festivals this summer. A number of her friends are the same, especially as they have vulnerable family and/or friends.

However, some people she knows want the vaccine but just haven't gotten around to doing it. Like everything else it is on their list of things to sort but they haven't made the effort to sort it.

DD did suggest maybe they just turn up at pubs, clubs, cinemas, theme parks, etc and offer vaccines to those who want it (and are sober enough obviously) before they go in - going to the young people rather than the young people going to them.

@Blessex

What I cannot get my head around with that data is that they are taking a % of a population that includes people we are not even offering the vaccine to. Eg kids. Otherwise we are a lot higher % than that. Other countries are offering it to kids.

But they need to do that in order to calculate the data in terms of 'herd immunity' etc. Children count towards that as they are still capable of catching it and transmitting it, even if most of them don't get too ill themselves.

You can look at data for age groups too.

DD did suggest maybe they just turn up at pubs, clubs, cinemas, theme parks, etc and offer vaccines to those who want it (and are sober enough obviously) before they go in - going to the young people rather than the young people going to them.

Giving a vaccine is not giving lolipops. They have to follow clear health regulations for safety.

Well I'm super proud of Spain particularly as it has areas of high poverty and have been hit especially hard by the pandemic.
We're in Murcia (not permanent residents by DM is) and given the slow start to the program I see them steaming ahead in terms of uptake and compliance. They out U.K. to shame.
A few weeks ago it lifted compulsory masks in the street yet it is a rarity to see someone Without.
In this region the weak spot is the migrant workers and more recently the under 18's. The former has been responsible of some of our biggest local outbreaks and the latter are kids finishing school and congregating on the beaches.
I have upmost sympathy for the youngsters given that they had to endure far stricter lockdown rules than we have seen in U.K.

Given that it's a nation used to kissing and physical greetings it's quite heartwarming to see even the eldest and most cynical elbow bumping!
We could learn a lot from their attitude.
I guess the difference is that they respect their families and have a wider value of society.

[quote Alondra]The Janssen/Johnson vaccine was approved for the under 60s back in May and I'm not retracting that I heard in the news the government was thinking of reserving the one shot vaccines for the over 12s and young people.

english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-12/spanish-health-authorities-approve-the-janssen-vaccine-for-use-among-the-under-60s.html[/quote]
@Alondra j&j is only used 40-60. Not for below 40s.

Re the second dose for people who have had COVID I think the approach is different from region to region. I’m originally from
Valencia and yes, over 65s have had a second dose, but under 65s have been offered it and some have had it (two of my cousins) and some have decided not to (one of my friends).

Btw, my cousins had been vaccinated with AZ and were offered AZ or Pfizer for the second dose (36 and 49 years old).

@Alondra

DD did suggest maybe they just turn up at pubs, clubs, cinemas, theme parks, etc and offer vaccines to those who want it (and are sober enough obviously) before they go in - going to the young people rather than the young people going to them.

Giving a vaccine is not giving lolipops. They have to follow clear health regulations for safety.

I do know that.

However it is possible to do vaccines outside of medical centres. Dd has hers done at drip in centres at a theatre and a football ground. Mine was done in a church . My parents were done in a car park. The vaccines have been given in a wide range of locations and many have been done for just a few hours or for an afternoon slot at various venues. So it is definitely possible to safely give the vaccine in out of medical setting venues.

Dd was more thinking about taking the vaccines to the places where those people will already be, but under the proper safety guidelines - not just turning up with a bunch of needles and just jabbing anyone they see!

@Watapalava

Are children inc in other countries rates?

If so then their overall protection is lower

We may have only vaccinated xx amount but we’ve offered double vaccine to all groups at risk

Kids have rarely been ill never mind died so if countries rates inc kids then their populations may be less protected than ours

33,000 children in the U.K. have long covid so I don’t think you can say they haven’t been effected.

@alondra Dh is 35 and requested the Johnson in Spain but they refused as he’s under 40, so pfizer..

Sorry, I see you’ve been told!!

@Watapalava

It was just on our news (Italy) that 34% of over 12s are now fully vaccinated and 64% of over 12s have had one dose.

It was only from June 11th that you could book for over 12s and their Vax dates are coming through now, so our figures definitely (now) reflect d