Spain has highest share of fully vaccinated people of world’s large countries

[Lico]

This is good news.. Spain has highest share of fully vaccinated people of world’s large countries. Vaccination rates will make us all

english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-27/spain-has-highest-share-of-fully-vaccinated-people-of-worlds-large-countries.html

In the region where I live in Spain they WILL be offering to 12+ but haven't started yet. They hope to have 12 to 18 year old vaccinated before school starts in September but haven't started yet. Next month apparently.

@OrangeBlossomsinthesun yes it differs by region as where I live have already started vaccinating children 14 and over

Blessex: Countries are using the Total Population because herd immunity is important. We need to fully vaccinate between 80 to 90 % of the Total Population (67 million in Uk?) in order to neutralise this nasty virus. I think that UK is about 55% of Total Population so needs more people to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity (80-90%)

There are two things

1. targeted population to protect lives, health system etc.. 2)herd immunity to conquer the virus -vaccinating the Total Population (not possible of course)

Where I’m from the 12+ have already been offered but I’m not sure whether they’ve started actually vaccinating them.
Some other areas are still vaccinating mid 30s(a friend in Murcia area got vaccinated last week)

Also Spain is mainly vaccinating with pfizer (3weeks) and moderna (4 weeks) so despite my same age friends were only vaccinated few weeks ago , when I’ve met them today there were all fully vaccinated. They’ve vaccinated a big chunk of the population in 2-2.5months (30-70)

Totally agree SCMocha. In addition leaving a big chunk of the Total Population unvaccinated (eg teenagers) might create a variant difficult to contain.

Do we even need herd immunity?

We need to reduce deaths yes but even with flu vaccine uptake is only about 50-60% and we accept the level of deaths that causes

I’m not sure they’re looking at 80-90% as a target as we done have that

My teens have never been offered flu vaccine - never and uptake in kids can be as low as 40% and we manage flu

The important thing really is getting uptake in those at risk groups as high as poss

Which it is

To be honest, I’m not sure that I agree with vaccinating (non vulnerable) teenagers yet when there are so many parts of the world where even the highly vulnerable haven’t been vaccinated.

Fill your boots when there’s enough vaccines to go around but in the meantime surely we have a responsibility to send those vaccines to those in need

@Wellbythebloodyhell

The UK has really slowed down, despite starting well This is purely down to a lower uptake in younger ages there's plenty of vaccine availability for those who want it

Yes precisely, walk in centres are heavily advertising their services, and have much more capacity than what they are doing due to lack of demand in younger groups. As long as the 8 weeks has elapsed, more or less anyone waiting for a second jab could get one today without travelling too far.

Wata: NO, the Uk has not done 80 to 90 %!!
No country on the planet has done yet !!

UK has done circa 55% of Total Population which is circa 67 million

*You are getting mixed up with the vaccination of Adults.

*Total Population is composed of adults AND children ..

You need herd immunity to stop the spread of this deadly disease - You cannot compare flu with Covid - have you been in a Covid hospital ward??

@Cancellingadvice

To be honest, I’m not sure that I agree with vaccinating (non vulnerable) teenagers yet when there are so many parts of the world where even the highly vulnerable haven’t been vaccinated.

Fill your boots when there’s enough vaccines to go around but in the meantime surely we have a responsibility to send those vaccines to those in need

The UK is throwing unused vaccines away.

Note and wellby: totally agree.

Some teenagers might develop long Covid during their A Levels.
Children might spread Covid to those shielding who cannot receive a vaccine.
It is not right to expect some people to shield for the rest of their lives.

@Lico

Wata: NO, the Uk has not done 80 to 90 %!! No country on the planet has done yet !!

UK has done circa 55% of Total Population which is circa 67 million

*You are getting mixed up with the vaccination of Adults.

*Total Population is composed of adults AND children ..

You need herd immunity to stop the spread of this deadly disease - You cannot compare flu with Covid - have you been in a Covid hospital ward??

Let's not forget that our true case numbers are likely to be between 10-15 million which will also contribute a few % to herd immunity

Yes, but has this been quantified by governments yet?

They have surpassed us by 0.2% and what better way to make things look better than to only give one dose to people previously infected. I know someone who has had both Alpha and Delta variants, and Delta was so much worse despite her being vaccinated.
The Spanish healthcare system is not amazing by any stretch of the imagination. My mother in law lives in one of the main regions and her husband got prostate cancer in 2019. His treatment was delayed again and again, this went on for months. He had to go to appointments at 10pm because it was the only time they could fit him in.

@Lico

Yes, but has this been quantified by governments yet?

I'm not sure but the study saying over 90% have antibodies would certainly suggest that case numbers over the year and a half have been massively underestimated.

Is this correct?

The data I can see for last week is 51% of over 16s in Spain have has both doses, but in England it's around 69% of over 18s.

The data from Monday for all ages is 64% at least one dose in Spain and 70% in the U.K. have at least one dose.

@delilahbucket

They have surpassed us by 0.2% and what better way to make things look better than to only give one dose to people previously infected. I know someone who has had both Alpha and Delta variants, and Delta was so much worse despite her being vaccinated. The Spanish healthcare system is not amazing by any stretch of the imagination. My mother in law lives in one of the main regions and her husband got prostate cancer in 2019. His treatment was delayed again and again, this went on for months. He had to go to appointments at 10pm because it was the only time they could fit him in.

I'm sorry to hear that. Was he in Madrid? www.thelocal.es/20170519/spains-healthcare-ranks-among-best-in-world/ Spain ranks higher than the UK for healthcare. I think the rollout has been very good once it got going in Spain, because there is a good primary care network, but also there is almost no vaccine hesitance. The uptake is huge.

Tuba: I don’t know the total number of people who had Covid in the UK? It would be interesting to find out. This would give us an idea of % (although not exact as possibly under reported).

@Lico

I'm not a scientist, but can we even achieve herd immunity with a vaccine that's potentially only 64% effective?

Vaccines like the MMR are 97% effective against measles and the NHS states that we need 95% of children vaccinated to eradicate it.

So surely with a less effect vaccine we'd need more than 95%. Which we can't achieve as more than 5% of the population is under 12?

@Lico yes it would be good to know. Would also be good to know if herd immunity can he reached with some people having first vaccinations too. I guess the percentage would have to be higher but I'm assuming we can probably get to herd immunity before everyone is fully vaccinated.

@worrybutterfly

Is this correct?

The data I can see for last week is 51% of over 16s in Spain have has both doses, but in England it's around 69% of over 18s.

The data from Monday for all ages is 64% at least one dose in Spain and 70% in the U.K. have at least one dose.

I read some stats that some areas in the UK are 62% fully vaccinated but London which is a big chunk of its population is still somewhere in the 40s%.

Spain a different plan from the UK because they prioritised full vaccinations against giving one shot and delay the second. Vaccinations to the over 12s are about to start, the government wants them vaccinated before they go back to school.

I also heard someone that the Johnson vaccine, one shot, is being reserved for over 12s and young people, as they are more likely to fear needles or don't bother with the second shot.

heard somewhere on the news

Worry: I use:

ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

You can type any country to check their total population and their % of Total Vaccination.
For herd immunity, over 16s or over 40s etc.., is irrelevant. It is the % vaccinated of Total Population which is taken into consideration

Alondra: what you heard is WRONG. The Johnson Johnson is not authorised for youngsters because it is using the same technology as Astra.