Excempt from isolating? Is it safe?

[3asAbird]

New list produced of excempt professions list like NHS its so inconvenient the risk of them not working is greater than if they got covid or spread it.
Wealth before health.
Business leaders whinging in media seemed to have got what they want.
Making a mockery of those who are made to self isolate in a less fortunate professions.

Does anyone know if apart from testing theres also requirement to be double jabbed or cam they not isolate with 1 jab or 0 jab?

bbc.in/3rrxytl

Doesn’t include supermarket staff right now but give them time by September no one will be self isolating.

They may as well scrap the app.
Its not the apps fault theres more infections.

Hopefully this is the start of heading to testing instead of isolation, and date in august should happen.

The exempt people need to work to keep things moving, everyone complaining, if this hadn't of been announced you would probably be moaning in 2 weeks time when the supermarkets are struggling to keep shelves stocked.

lannistunut

Being pregnant in the pandemic now is a choice.Wow. Nothing says 'failed state' like admitting your country might not be a good place to have a baby.

Or maybe this poster is saying if you get pregnant now you know what you are letting yourself in for. Very different for women who were pregnant before pandemic hit.

I understood what they were saying @Lazypuppy - thatsmy point. Saying that is an admission the UK is in a very bad place.

@iannistunut no it's not. It's just saying you know what the situation is, your pregnancy journey isn't going to be normal, there will be facemasks etc and a risk of getting COVID. I'll be choosing to get pregnant in next few months, and i know what the situation is. People can't moan about pregnant women being 'put into situations' when they chose to get pregnant, they have put themselves in this situation, which as i said, isn't necessarily bad, but don't pretend they didn't know what it would be like being pregnant in a pandemic

[quote Lazypuppy]**@iannistunut no it's not. It's just saying you know what the situation is, your pregnancy journey isn't going to be normal, there will be facemasks etc and a risk of getting COVID. I'll be choosing to get pregnant in next few months, and i know what the situation is. People can't moan about pregnant women being 'put into situations' when they chose to get pregnant, they have put themselves in this situation, which as i said, isn't necessarily bad, but don't pretend they didn't know what it would be like being pregnant in a pandemic[/quote]
Respectfully, I completely disagree. People are fully entitled to moan that getting pregnant in a pandemic in the UK is worse than in other countries and worse than it needs to be here due to political mismanagement and misfunding of the Covid response.

Good luck with your conception and pregnancy

Its really sad and I can see how these changes may make some fearful of hospitals like 1st wave which resulted in other illnesses being treated too late.

Nhs aside in on about private business food manufacturing depots being exempt and they don't have to be double jabbed.
If course the ceos are delighted they can chose to exploit the safety of their low paid workers who probably cannot effectively social distance.

@Meme69

Can we just be clear here.... People are being told that they don't have to isolate at work, so I'm allowed to go do an ambulance shift and spend all day with people then I am expected to go home immediately and self isolate when I get home. Its an absolute joke.

If you don't drive how are you supposed to get there and back? And then not allowed to do food shopping for example. If I were you I would feel very aggrieved!

@StrawberryPi

I work in the NHS and whilst this is government guidance it won't be applied as a blanket rule for all staff. At my trust they're saying if you are a genuine close contact (e.g. you know you spent the evening with a friend who's now tested positive, or someone in your household has it) you will still need to isolate. If you get "pinged", you are to contact occupation health and your line manager and they are to risk assess and weigh up the risks of you working vs. not working depending on current staffing levels etc. This is to avoid staffing elevens getting so low that it becomes a risk to patient safety, and to avoid cancelling essential lists where e.g. a specialist surgeon cannot just be covered by someone else.

This is what I've been wondering - surely there is a much higher risk if someone in your household has it. So if the govt has to go down this route then why on earth are they not separating the types of contact in this way - i.e. pinged by the app, test instead of isolate; someone in your family has it, definitely isolate. This should definitely be the case before they remove the requirement to isolate for pretty much everyone on 16th August. It's scary to think someone's partner or child might have Covid, they are in very close contact with them every day, and yet allowed to carry on as normal.

Its not the apps fault theres more infections.

Too true. Reminds me of this Tweet from Adil Ray yesterday.

'How have we got to this narrative of blaming the app?'

Anecdotally (to illustrate my point), I work in a nursery school and we had 3 staff members test positive over the final 2 weeks of term. All 3 of them were already isolating because a household member had tested positive, so there was no impact on the setting in terms apart from us having to juggle staff around to cover their absence. 3 days before the end of term a 4th staff member tested positive - this time she had been in work the day before, so as a result all staff and all children who had been in that day are now isolating and the whole setting had to close early. If household isolation rules were not in place, this disruption would have happened two weeks earlier, with much bigger knock on affects for childcare etc.

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pinkpip100 Yes, exactly that. I don't understand how they can consider every contact equally risky/not risky - two completely different situations if you've sat next to someone on a bus for 20 minutes and they test positive the next day vs someone you live with has covid and you're exposed daily.

@pinkpip100

Anecdotally (to illustrate my point), I work in a nursery school and we had 3 staff members test positive over the final 2 weeks of term. All 3 of them were already isolating because a household member had tested positive, so there was no impact on the setting in terms apart from us having to juggle staff around to cover their absence. 3 days before the end of term a 4th staff member tested positive - this time she had been in work the day before, so as a result all staff and all children who had been in that day are now isolating and the whole setting had to close early. If household isolation rules were not in place, this disruption would have happened two weeks earlier, with much bigger knock on affects for childcare etc.

Exactly bubbles and isolation mean less people are infected or affected. The kids who tested postive in sons bubble their siblings and parents caught it. Hard to socially distance from our kids. If I understood new rules sept kids won't isolate unless they actually have covid. The chances of kids getting covid is increasing. Therefore parents will require time off work. Then they will most Likely catch covid and be off work longer. All very well saying don't isolate close contacts. But increased mixing, getting rid all restrictions will lead to loads being off sick with covid in autumn winter.

@middleager

Its not the apps fault theres more infections.

Too true. Reminds me of this Tweet from Adil Ray yesterday.

'How have we got to this narrative of blaming the app?'

The skill of smoke and mirrors by this government would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing.

How can people really think it is the app that is at fault.

pink as far as I’m aware, the new rules only apply to the app. If you get contracted by T&T or a household member has it you are ineligible. I don’t know what proportion of people who were pinged by the app were also contacted by T&T or living with the contact. There’s bound to be some overlap.

It doesn’t really solve the issue of the problems with food supply being due to brexit and the drop in numbers of lorry drivers that caused.

Yet again regulus I’m not sure if I’m more depressed by the government thinking we were daft enough to fall for this messaging, the public for actually being daft enough to fall for it or the media for not just turning around and pointing out the obvious bollocks and just promoting the messaging instead.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay really? I've not read anything that suggests that will be the case - it just seems to be 'exempt from isolating if identified as a close contact' full stop. It's still a very risky strategy but I think I'd be a bit less worried if you're right.

Hang on that might just be our hospital trust. I assumed it was national but perhaps not. They’re also insisting on PCR every other day in addition to the LFT.

Looking at the BBC story it looks like those involved in keeping the food supply chain open are exempt regardless of who contacted them and vaccination status. For other key workers they need to be double vaccinated + 2 weeks.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Hang on that might just be our hospital trust. I assumed it was national but perhaps not. They’re also insisting on PCR every other day in addition to the LFT.

Looking at the BBC story it looks like those involved in keeping the food supply chain open are exempt regardless of who contacted them and vaccination status. For other key workers they need to be double vaccinated + 2 weeks.

Exactly latest announcement on food workers they don't care about vaccination status. Its pressure from media and business.

I'm surprised anyone still uses the app to be honest!

^Exactly latest announcement on food workers they don't care about vaccination status.
Its pressure from media and business.^

We have a highly vaccinated population - vast majority of vulnerable are vaccinated.

I think empty shelves and lack of food and the potential of rising prices for food items (as a result of them being scarce) is more of a risk to a significant percentage of the population than Covid.

As a country we really need to start getting things in perspective.

@Wakeupin2022

^Exactly latest announcement on food workers they don't care about vaccination status. Its pressure from media and business.^

We have a highly vaccinated population - vast majority of vulnerable are vaccinated.

I think empty shelves and lack of food and the potential of rising prices for food items (as a result of them being scarce) is more of a risk to a significant percentage of the population than Covid.

As a country we really need to start getting things in perspective.

Don't panic we have the army on standby

Its all good

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15669246/army-standby-food-supplies-pingdemic/

Is it just close contacts or even those who test positive?

I believe anyone testing positive should have to isolate for now. It's too soon to stop that part.

Close contacts if double vax - well that kicks in from 16 August anyway so no real concerns if it comes in earlier.

Close contacts for unvaccinated - I think in most cases these ought to have to still isolate for now.

And yes, I know vaccinated people can still get Covid. However the chances of them catching it are significantly reduced and, if unlucky enough to still catch it, the likelihood of them then transmitting is is reduced by around a half. So a big difference to being unvaccinated.

Don't panic we have the army on standby

Trust me I am not panicking and we don't need the army on standby.

We just need to get a bloody grip.

Ah yes, the same army that aren't required to do regular LFTs even though many live in barracks and share bathrooms etc, and then travel home for weekenders all over the country before returning again for work? The ones who weren't prioritised for vaccines even though many were involved in the logistics of the roll out, so probably a lot aren't double jabbed yet because of their age and unlikely to be vulnerable? The ones who don't have to use the app, just like the rest of society who can choose not to, and have all sorts of caveats for close contact? Magically seems a tonne safer. It does raise an interesting question of public resources supporting private enterprise, would all of the supermarkets get equal logistics support? I know it's in the scum so unlikely to happen and just floating around as an idea somewhere, but weird.