Excempt from isolating? Is it safe?

[3asAbird]

New list produced of excempt professions list like NHS its so inconvenient the risk of them not working is greater than if they got covid or spread it.
Wealth before health.
Business leaders whinging in media seemed to have got what they want.
Making a mockery of those who are made to self isolate in a less fortunate professions.

Does anyone know if apart from testing theres also requirement to be double jabbed or cam they not isolate with 1 jab or 0 jab?

bbc.in/3rrxytl

Doesn’t include supermarket staff right now but give them time by September no one will be self isolating.

They may as well scrap the app.
Its not the apps fault theres more infections.

the depot workers don't have to be jabbed, the other critical workers do, but on bothists they are supposed to test daily.

They want to stop the double jabbed having to isolate from Mid August, which by then could be 80% of the adult population.

But the announcement yesterday is for people not to isolate immediately in certain groups regardless how many jabs they had.

Makes a mockery of people have be double jabbed get into clubs and other crowded places say if meat factors where there's no social distancing , some staff been single jabbed or not at all and no need to isolate.

I think it’s insane deciding that it’s ok for unvaccinated pregnant women to be cared for by people who have recently been exposed to COVID? How comfortable would you feel spending the whole of your labour in the same small room as someone who has a higher risk of being COVID positive? Women in labour mostly can’t manage to wear a mask and the majority are unvaccinated. I think it’s a terrible plan.

Then of course this plan increases the risk of massive outbreaks amongst staff, many of whom were among the first to be vaccinated so at the most risk of the level of immunity having reduced.

I suspect this is the first step towards testing replacing isolation for all.

I can see eventually the plan being that people will only isolate if they are positive, and everyone else just ‘testing’.

How this will actually play out is anyone’s guess.

It is for double vaccinated plus testing.

I don't agree with it because it penalises younger workers in terms of loss of wages when it was not their fault their vaccine call was later. Plus it will decrease general compliance leading to more cases.

But we are in a proper mess and the government is just flailing wildly so this is not a thought-out policy.

Cases are too high, we never should have gone to step 4. 'If not now, when?' asked Johnson the Wally. Correct answer: 'when you've got things (either cases or contingency plans) under sufficient control for us not to grind to a halt in week one'.

Not hugely.

It's a step made from desperation - transmission is so high that society will bucked just from the numbers of people who have covid (mild in most cases, but remember that just means 'doesn't require hospital' not 'isn't feeling pretty shite'

Instead of controlling that reducing transmission, the government has decided to reduce the infection control measures.

That seems to be pretty popular.

But it won't be good for those who catch it badly - and itndoes seem almost at random who those people are - it's weighted towards but not confined to the higher risk groups.

And the highest risk group are completely stuffed, as the vaccine might not work well at all for them. That's not an age related group, it's anyone living with a compromised immune system

Cases are too high, we never should have gone to step 4. 'If not now, when?' asked Johnson the Wally. Correct answer: 'when you've got things (either cases or contingency plans) under sufficient control for us not to grind to a halt in week one

Agree !

That rhetorical device was also popular, and I'm amazed more people didn't see it was offering the false choice of 'all this and now v never' whereas there could have been a number of different options - after all Sturgeon managed a different course the very next day!

It's pinging people cos they've been exposed, talk about trying to do a cover up. Just because you create a rule to stop certain people isolating, really doesn't mean the infection has gone away...

Fatalism is a manipulation tactic and coping strategy, those who say 'what can we do?' are struggling to cope with the chaos and uncertainty, they bring certainty this way.

For many certainty, however crap, is less stressful than the uncertainty of trying with a chance of failure. Basically Johnson was appealing to our cowardly side!

Where I'm from there's an analogy for this situation...

Up shit creek without a paddle

I don't understand why they are not isolating and not testing, information today about lateral flow teats being an effective alternative to isolation

I don't agree with it but can also see the alternative of essential services being closed and supermarket shelves empty is not great. People have been crying out for any mitigations to go because they are "done" and want to "live with covid" so there you are, this is what it means.

It's just another step towards herd immunity, was always his plan from day 1, but he's such a flipping blancmange he didn't have the balls to do this at the start

@WorriedNHSer

I think it’s insane deciding that it’s ok for unvaccinated pregnant women to be cared for by people who have recently been exposed to COVID? How comfortable would you feel spending the whole of your labour in the same small room as someone who has a higher risk of being COVID positive? Women in labour mostly can’t manage to wear a mask and the majority are unvaccinated. I think it’s a terrible plan.

Then of course this plan increases the risk of massive outbreaks amongst staff, many of whom were among the first to be vaccinated so at the most risk of the level of immunity having reduced.

They'd only be given permission to forgo isolation if staffing levels were dangerous, and having people isolating posed more of a danger to patients than coming in. The question should be, would you rather have a midwife who had recently been exposed but was very likely double jabbed and will be testing regularly, or give birth without one. Things are dire, it's not a nice ah be good to have more people in, its pretty much well soon we won't be able to deliver even bare minimum of a service.

The sensible thing to do would be to apologetically take one step backward and admit step 4 was a bit of a fook up.

Alas, no... can't do that, must get to my holiday before Carrie kicks off

I work in the NHS and whilst this is government guidance it won't be applied as a blanket rule for all staff. At my trust they're saying if you are a genuine close contact (e.g. you know you spent the evening with a friend who's now tested positive, or someone in your household has it) you will still need to isolate. If you get "pinged", you are to contact occupation health and your line manager and they are to risk assess and weigh up the risks of you working vs. not working depending on current staffing levels etc. This is to avoid staffing elevens getting so low that it becomes a risk to patient safety, and to avoid cancelling essential lists where e.g. a specialist surgeon cannot just be covered by someone else.

Don't know why supermarket staff aren't included. DD works for one, a bit bigger than a Tesco Express. Minimum staff on lates should be three, they're down to two. It's been women/teenagers on all week, all small framed. They're struggling and getting so many shop lifters. Had two lots of guys in stealing at same time last week. Safety wise, they just had to leave them to it. Some of the women can't move the heavy delivery crates up the ramp on their own, one tried on her own the other night (other on shop floor) and it toppled over. It's not really safe. Had two lots of guys in stealing at same time.

Can we just be clear here.... People are being told that they don't have to isolate at work, so I'm allowed to go do an ambulance shift and spend all day with people then I am expected to go home immediately and self isolate when I get home. Its an absolute joke.

@marieantoinehairnet

The sensible thing to do would be to apologetically take one step backward and admit step 4 was a bit of a fook up.

Alas, no... can't do that, must get to my holiday before Carrie kicks off

Apologise?

Only plebs apologise!!

@Meme69

Can we just be clear here.... People are being told that they don't have to isolate at work, so I'm allowed to go do an ambulance shift and spend all day with people then I am expected to go home immediately and self isolate when I get home. Its an absolute joke.

It is slightly insulting isn't it, your too risky to let out of an evening, but during your working hours all good!

@Meme69

Can we just be clear here.... People are being told that they don't have to isolate at work, so I'm allowed to go do an ambulance shift and spend all day with people then I am expected to go home immediately and self isolate when I get home. Its an absolute joke.

I think it is very reassuring to think you don't have to isolate around vulnerable ill people but do have to isolate around non-vulnerable well people

Clearly a carefully planned policy rooted in scientific understanding. Not a panic response to bad Daily Mail headlines, oh no.

I wouldn't be surprised if DH's role is on that list.

You could argue that from a safety perspective it absolutely trumps Covid.

@WorriedNHSer

I think it’s insane deciding that it’s ok for unvaccinated pregnant women to be cared for by people who have recently been exposed to COVID? How comfortable would you feel spending the whole of your labour in the same small room as someone who has a higher risk of being COVID positive? Women in labour mostly can’t manage to wear a mask and the majority are unvaccinated. I think it’s a terrible plan.

Then of course this plan increases the risk of massive outbreaks amongst staff, many of whom were among the first to be vaccinated so at the most risk of the level of immunity having reduced.

Being pregnant in the pandemic now is a choice. I’d be far more worried about ill people being exposed who have no choice in hospital appointments etc. Given how many aren’t testing with symptoms so they don’t have miss events, those failing to isolate as don’t want to stay home etc the risk is everywhere.

Being pregnant in the pandemic now is a choice. Wow. Nothing says 'failed state' like admitting your country might not be a good place to have a baby.