First Doses should stop end of August.

[Itsprobablynotcominghome]

I think the only way to get people who don’t want something is to tell them they can’t have it.

Why are we wasting such resources, and more importantly vaccine doses that could be used by the rest of the world, to wait for people to decide to have it?

There’s nearly 10,000 cases each day in the 20-29 age range, who will have only had one dose, or maybe none yet. They have to wait 28 days until they can have vaccine. In September boosters are starting, so there won’t be any waste, in fact we will need more supplies to implement the boosters.

Not all of our vaccination centres have enough doses as it is. It was only a couple of weeks ago that our towns large vaccination centre cancelled all first doses in anyone under 40, because they didn’t have enough supply.

@Pingued

I expect someone clever is making sure there won't be loads sat around unused. Stock control and all that.

You have stronger faith in this govt than I.

Let’s add this to the post from @YouLikeTheBadOnesToo

@Itsprobablynotcominghome yes slowly losing any faith i had..

Anyway, good points made by all the posters.

My title was a bit clickbaity I’ll admit.

My plan would be to remove all mass vaccination centres and drop in centres. Doses would be given by surgery hubs that covered an appropriate area.

If people still want a first dose they can get access to one, but they might have to wait a week, or go at a time that isn’t completely convenient to them.

Obviously 16+ should be offered vaccine. This should have already happened U.K.-wide.

My overall point is that there are literally billions of people who would give anything for these doses, so we can no longer sit on our stock. We put aside a realistic amount, and we start thinking about the big wide world outside of the U.K.

good you are not in charge as you didn't think this through

That sounds a good idea actually. So after they are sure everyone has been offered a first dose a twice weekly clinic or something. Once the numbers of people coming forward are low enough it makes sense to stop the big centres.

The drop ins I think I really useful for catching the people who wouldn't be able to book appointments or in areas where take up is exceptionally low though.

I guess the question is how long do you wait though.

Wait a week for an appointment? That sounds like bliss. Took me 3 weeks to get an appointment closer than 3 hrs of driving!

The UK stock held for the over 18s would at present not be diverted abroad, the CEV children would be expanded to include CV and the most vulnerable adults are not far off needing a booster.

There will always be people newly eligible and people getting boosters so there is no reason to tell those that have chosen to delay that they lost their chance.

I’ve been vaccinated and so has DH but I’m not up for shaming people who are a bit wary. If they need more time they can have it.

That isn't how the NHS works, people are allowed to access recommended healthcare on their own schedule. Some might have caught covid and be unable to be jabbed for a month, some only just allowed to be jabbed. As far as older people who decide late in the day to be jabbed, it's MUCH cheaper to jab them than to pay their ICU bills.

I think they should now cut the time to 3 weeks between 1st and 2nd doses which was the original gap. This way everyone who is vaccinated will have had the chance - last date given for the mass clinics and that way everyone has had the chance. If people subsequently hanged their mind they can but I think people will have had enough time and information to make their choices

My title was a bit clickbaity I’ll admit

My plan would be to remove all mass vaccination centres and drop in centres. Doses would be given by surgery hubs that covered an appropriate area

Thanks. I think you'll find the NHS are ahead of you on that one. Plans to close centres and consolidate others are already in place.

@Boulshired

The UK stock held for the over 18s would at present not be diverted abroad, the CEV children would be expanded to include CV and the most vulnerable adults are not far off needing a booster.

That’s fine. But you are talking a few million doses max.

What’s our current supply? Millions per week. We have a huge stockpile with expiry dates. No country should have a stockpile. Look at Israel. They have run stocks to close to expiry and they have had to be destroyed.

Or we can just allow a new variant pop up somewhere in the world that will come back and undermine our vaccine effort.

Great. When is this happening?

^ reply fail to @GCrebel*

Or we can just allow a new variant pop up somewhere in the world that will come back and undermine our vaccine effort.

With our crazy transmission and partially vaccinated population, we’ve got perfect conditions for a new variant here.

Anyone who decides to get vaccinated later is better than not getting vaccinated.

@PurpleDaisies

Or we can just allow a new variant pop up somewhere in the world that will come back and undermine our vaccine effort.

With our crazy transmission and partially vaccinated population, we’ve got perfect conditions for a new variant here.

We are doing under 50,000 first doses per day. And this number will continue to fall.

This is less than 0.01% of our population per day. In 100 days we will have done 1% more of our total population.

It’s time to share. If we want to bring transmission down quickly we should make efforts to do that, ie alter human behaviour. Our cases are slowing, and will fall slowly. Vaccination with first doses at our current rates won’t help that much now.

Itsprobablynotcominghome - it’s happening now! In our county x 3 centres have already been closed and others will follow through the autumn, subject to further developments.

Most unqualified staff contracts are currently due to end in October and qualified at the end of the year.

My plan would be to remove all mass vaccination centres and drop in centres. Doses would be given by surgery hubs that covered an appropriate area

I assume this will happen in the fullness of time. There's no point having loads of vaccination centres once most people are done. It'll be like other vaccines (apart from the ones done through schools) which are given via your surgery. I don't know how they'll handle the storage requirements for the non-AZ ones, but I'm sure they'll manage

OP, I do get your point and agree to some extent. I'm sure the main vaccination centres will be closed before long. Might be that you can have it by referral from your doctor to local pharmacy, or clinics. There are some who have delayed due to medical reasons, but things might become clearer in the future, so I really wouldn't want to issue them with an ultimation.

Or we can just allow a new variant pop up somewhere in the world that will come back and undermine our vaccine effort.

I wasn't aware variants needed our permission to pop up.

*We are doing under 50,000 first doses per day. And this number will continue to fall.

This is less than 0.01% of our population per day. In 100 days we will have done 1% more of our total population.*

Huh? Population of the U.K. is nearly 70m isn’t it? How is 100 x 50,000 (5m) 1%? It’s nearer 10% and probably is 10% of the adult population.