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Covid and kids

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Ticklemycarpets · 21/07/2021 13:19

So with everything opening up, Covid rates rising and kids being the major group unvaccinated, I need to understand better the risk to kids so I can weigh up what we do / don't do this summer.

Are there some comparisons that you know of?
I'd like to know the death rate for kids of Covid compared to chicken pox for example.
Can kids get long Covid?

If it's similar to chickenpox for example it wouldn't stop us visiting friends but it outcomes are worse or there's the risk of long Covid.

OP posts:
Ticklemycarpets · 21/07/2021 13:19

*would

OP posts:
Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:21

I have saved this link to read it later on www.conservativewoman.co.uk/doctors-urge-teachers-to-reject-covid-vaccination-for-children/

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:22

And this one, it would be great if anyone could share some further info too

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/if-anyone-backs-vaccine-for-children-tell-them-to-read-this-compelling-scientific-rebuttal/

sol7 · 21/07/2021 13:29

Hmm,those do not look like reputable scientific links!

Pootle40 · 21/07/2021 13:33

Have you heard of any kinds (not vulnerable) being seriously ill or dying? I certainly haven't. There's your answer.

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:33

@sol7

Hmm,those do not look like reputable scientific links!
Do you have any other links? If you go through text you will see links to scientific sources. Ie

www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021-06-15-children_and_covid-19_vaccines_full_guide.pdf

Please share any other related links

MilkCereal · 21/07/2021 13:37

Yes kids can get long covid. I'm a teacher I know of 2 personally.

Not sure about death rates etc but I'm getting impression very low. I'm not too concerned about mine getting seriously ill.

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:39

@Pootle40

Have you heard of any kinds (not vulnerable) being seriously ill or dying? I certainly haven't. There's your answer.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-vaccine-pfizer-michigan-cdc-b1878262.html www.openvaers.com/ www.openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-full-data
Twokitstwokats · 21/07/2021 13:42

The biggest risk is catching a cough and waiting days every time for a pcr result.

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:46

@Ticklemycarpets

So with everything opening up, Covid rates rising and kids being the major group unvaccinated, I need to understand better the risk to kids so I can weigh up what we do / don't do this summer.

Are there some comparisons that you know of?
I'd like to know the death rate for kids of Covid compared to chicken pox for example.
Can kids get long Covid?

If it's similar to chickenpox for example it wouldn't stop us visiting friends but it outcomes are worse or there's the risk of long Covid.

P 4 children assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/998309/Greenbook_chapter_14a_1July2021.pdf Fewer than 5% of COVID-19 cases are amongst children and in general they appear to exhibit mild disease. Although cough and fever are the main symptoms in children (Ladhani et al, 2020), a UK study tracking children of healthcare workers has recently shown that of those who were seropositive, gastrointestinal symptoms were also commonplace (Waterfield et al, 2020). Preliminary evidence suggested that not only do children have a lower susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but they are also unlikely to be key drivers of transmission at a population level (Viner et al, 2020). However, a recent prospective study found higher secondary attack rates where the household index case was a child (Lopez- Bernal et al, 2020). A spectrum of multi system inflammatory disease similar to Kawasaki disease (KD) was recently described in children admitted during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, temporally associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome attributed to SARS-CoV-2 (Paediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection (PIMS-TS)) (Whittaker et al, 2020). This severe presentation in children is extremely rare, but appears to encompass a wide range of features, including fever, gastrointestinal symptoms, rash, myocardial injury and shock (Swann et al, 202
FlippingKipper · 21/07/2021 13:48

www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/

7-8% of 2-16s seeming to get some kind of long covid/ symptoms lasting beyond the infection.

I'd not be worried about my kids taking a chance with it, if numbers were low, but honestly I'm thinking I might just not do too much right now, as chances of getting it seem pretty high given the insane numbers. And an almost 1 in 10 chance of long covid effects seems high to me. And they're setting up special clinics for it, so they must be anticipating some negative impact on young people.

It's so hard to balance though, as they really need to be with friends too.

It's the uncertainty with covid that gets me. Chances are they'll be fine. But. There's a small chance they might not be, and it may have long lasting consequences for them. I just wish we knew!

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 13:49

P 19
Children
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine trials have been conducted in those aged 12-15 years for both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and more safety and immunogenicity data is emerging. Children and young people have a very low risk of COVID-19, severe disease or death due to SARS- CoV-2 compared to adults and so COVID-19 vaccines are not routinely recommended for children and young people under 16 years of age.
Children under 16 year of age, even if they are CEV, are at low risk of serious morbidity and mortality, and, given the absence of safety and efficacy data on the vaccine, are not recommended for vaccination. Limited data however, suggest that children with neurological comorbidities may be at a greater risk of developing severe COVID-19.
Given the very high risk of exposure to infection and outbreaks in institutional settings, vaccination may be considered for children with severe neuro-disabilities who tend to get recurrent respiratory tract infections particularly those who spend time in specialised residential care settings for children with complex needs. As older children have higher risk of acquiring and becoming sick from infection and there are some safety data on the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 in children aged 12 years and older, vaccination of older children in these settings should be considered with this vaccine. If the Pfizer vaccine is not available, Moderna mRNA vaccine may be used "off-license" as an alternate.
Recommendations on vaccinating children with other underlying conditions will be reviewed after the initial roll-out phase by which time additional data on use of the vaccines in adults should allow a better assessment of risks and benefits

FlippingKipper · 21/07/2021 13:56

@Twokitstwokats

The biggest risk is catching a cough and waiting days every time for a pcr result.
And this! I'm slight afraid that every time we go out we'll pick up a non-covid cough or temp, and then will be constantly stuck home waiting for results. That'll be a real nuisance.
Lavenderpillow · 21/07/2021 13:57

Just my experience, my son has Covid now (as do I). He is asthmatic and I was very worried but it’s just like a heavy cold on him.

Pissinthepottyplease · 21/07/2021 13:59

33,000 kids in the U.K. have long covid. I wish they would allow children in the U.K. to be vaccinated.

OffCycling · 21/07/2021 14:02

A panorama program broadcast a week or two ago said that 33,000 school children had long covid. That number will obviously be higher now than when it was filmed.

GreenLakes · 21/07/2021 14:04

There needs to be much more research into long covid before we start wailingabout the risk to DC.

The issue with the current figures about x% getting it is 1. These people have in many cases never even had confirmed covid and

  1. Even if they have, there’s no evidence that covid is the cause of these symptoms.

On the rare occasions when a control group has been included in studies, there’s been no difference in long term symptoms between those who’ve had covid and those who haven’t.

I saw one self selecting study that claimed symptoms like tiredness, diarrhoea and headaches as long covid symptoms- I’d be surprised if the vast majority of the population don’t suffer these in the average month!

Heyhohi · 21/07/2021 14:05

@Lavenderpillow

Just my experience, my son has Covid now (as do I). He is asthmatic and I was very worried but it’s just like a heavy cold on him.
Have you got a link to that figure, please? Cannot find it

www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/july/long-covid-children.html

Whatisthisarghhh · 21/07/2021 14:10

www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/july/long-covid-children.html

Stickytreacle · 21/07/2021 14:24

This is from the CDC

COVID-19 among children and adolescents
Children and adolescents can be infected with SARS-CoV-2, can get sick with COVID-19, and can spread the virus to others.9-15 In the United States through March 2021, the estimated cumulative rates of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 symptomatic illness in children ages 5-17 years were comparable to infection and symptomatic illness rates in adults ages 18-49 and higher than rates in adults ages 50 and older.16 Estimated cumulative rates of infection and symptomatic illness in children ages 0-4 years are roughly half of those in children ages 5-17 years, but are comparable to those in adults ages 65 years or older. These cumulative rates were estimated from CDC models that account for under-detection among reported cases.17

Several studies conducted early during the COVID-19 pandemic suggested that the incidence rate among children and adolescents was lower than among adults.9, 10, 18-23 However, the lower incidence rates may have been due in part to children, when compared to adults, having fewer opportunities for exposure (due to school, daycare, and activity closures) and a lower probability of being tested.17 Studies that have systematically tested children and adolescents, irrespective of symptoms, for acute SARS-CoV-2 infection (using antigen or RT-PCR assays) or prior infection (through antibody testing) have found their rates of infection can be comparable, and in some settings higher, than in adults.12, 15, 24-29

Children and adolescents can also transmit SARS-CoV-2 infection to others. Early during the COVID-19 pandemic, children were not commonly identified as index cases in household or other clusters9, 10 largely because schools and extracurricular activities around the world were closed or no longer held in-person. However, outbreaks among adolescents attending camps, sports events, and schools have demonstrated that adolescents can transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.11, 14, 30 Furthermore, transmission studies that have examined secondary infection risk from children and adolescents to household contacts who are rapidly, frequently, and systematically tested demonstrate that transmission does occur.29, 31

Compared with adults, children and adolescents who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 are more commonly asymptomatic (never develop symptoms) or have mild, non-specific symptoms (e.g. headache, sore throat).32-36 Similar to adults with SARS-CoV-2 infections, children and adolescents can spread SARS-CoV-2 to others when they do not have symptoms or have mild, non-specific symptoms and thus might not know that they are infected and infectious. Children are less likely to develop severe illness or die from COVID-19.23, 37-39 Nonetheless, 271 COVID-19 deaths among persons ages 5-17 years and 120 deaths among those 0-4 years have been reported to the National Center for Health Statistics through July 7, 2021.8 The extent to which children suffer long-term consequences of COVID-19 is still unknown.40 Although rates of severe outcomes (e.g. hospitalization, mortality) from COVID-19 among children and adolescents are low,41, 42 youth who belong to some racial and ethnic minority groups are disproportionately affected similar to adults. For example, a higher proportion of COVID-19 cases in school-aged children who are Hispanic or Latino or are Black or African American were hospitalized or required intensive care unit (ICU) admission than reported among White school-aged children.41 Underlying medical conditions are also more commonly reported among children who are hospitalized or admitted to an ICU than those not.41, 43 CDC’s COVID Data Tracker provides up-to-date information on Demographic Trends of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the US reported to CDC.

Darbs76 · 21/07/2021 14:36

My 17yr old son has it now, as do I. He usually walks 25k steps a day, now doing 1k and wiped out. It’s worse than a cold for sure, we have been unwell for a week now. But not as serious for unvaccinated kids. I’m double jabbed and feel terrible

HSHorror · 21/07/2021 16:29

Heyhoho-
That first areticle is a lot of rubbish.
Is that even scientists?
A scientist would never direct it at the headteachers as they would just be doing what the gov say.
And what it said about the myocarditis - it strangly missed out the bit where cdc say to still get vaxxed.
Other countries are vaxxing kids so hardly incontrovertible...
More like its a shortage of vax and the vax committee dont want to be blamed.
Long covid could cost a lot more than this whole pandemic so far.
The myocarditis at least has a treatment unlike - long covid

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