The UK may have got it right

[VioletRiemelt]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57911032

Australians back in lockdown, while our restrictions are gone. Our exit wave could be over by September.

@unwuthering

Yeah, they are looking at the rolling out of the red carpet for a really nasty new variant.

That’s as may be. You’re giving the impression there is nothing to be learnt from watching the U.K. which is utter nonsense and if any countries do think like that they are missing an opportunity to gain useful data.

Issue is they opened up before their vaccination rate was high enough.

Oh, it's the magic 5% difference in percentage fully vaccinated in Singapore? No I don't think so.

This thread is amazing -

We were right and Australia was wrong!

Right? But our death rate is so much higher? 🤔

Don't be ridiculous, you can't compare death rates! But anyway our death rate was always going to higher cos population density duh. "I'm not stupid."

But Australian cities are denser than ours so how does that work? 🤔

Silence.

OK how about Singapore, Mauritius, Iceland etc? 🤔

Small island countries have an advantage.

OK how come we're doing worse than Bangladesh, Austria, Turkey, Egypt, Serbia, Vietnam, Botswana or Malaysia? 🤔

OK we might be higher than them in terms of deaths per capita but that doesn't mean anything because one day they might be worse than us.

Reminds me of the logic of DD aged about 4.

@4PawsGood is it technically global if it hasn’t reached all parts of the globe? Some places remain covid free..

@unwuthering 46% in Singapore fully vaccinated and seems they haven’t prioritised them most vulnerable first as 000s of over 70s still unprotected. Around 68% in U.K. now fully vaccinated. That’s 22% not 5% difference - and the ones that are not fully vaccinated in U.K. are lower risk

Global - 'worldwide'.

I'm not sure what tiny pockets it hasn't reached, but it is global; it is a global pandemic as declared by the WHO and every nation in the world reporting on it. For some reason, this upsets people who want to minimise the effects of a global pandemic, because it's boring for them.

[quote Blessex]@unwuthering 46% in Singapore fully vaccinated and seems they haven’t prioritised them most vulnerable first as 000s of over 70s still unprotected. Around 68% in U.K. now fully vaccinated. That’s 22% not 5% difference - and the ones that are not fully vaccinated in U.K. are lower risk[/quote]
49% fully vaccinated, and 73% with first dose.

As opposed to 54% fully, and 69% partially vaxxed in the UK.

from

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

Both sets of data equally out of date within days, in any case.

@unwuthering I don’t know which days you are looking at but this is official U.K. data attached
from the gov website. 69.1% fully vaccinated in the U.K.

And yes 30% of the elderly remain unvaccinated in Singapore. That’s a worry no?

That’s why they are restricting until mid aug while they get these numbers up. They went too soon. They made an error.

All this nudging!

@unwuthering I’m not minimising I’m just pointing out you don’t have to keep bloody saying global! It’s redundant since pandemic already means widespread (over several continents). Hence why the news reporting don’t bother to keep saying global left, right and centre. 😩

@unwuthering that’s misleading data you are quoting because that takes the entire U.K. population as the denominator and as you know we are not vaccinating at least the under 12s and 12-18 year olds for now.

And yes Singapore will follow the U.K. approach again once their vaccination % is up again in 2-3 weeks - including the 30% of elderly still unvaccinated.

Tbh, I don’t think anyone has got it right.

This.

Everyone has got it wrong, but we've all got it wrong in our own special ways and at different times.

It might not even be possible to 'get it right'.

You need to use the whole population if that's what you're using for Singapore. Otherwise it's not a true comparison. Plus you could argue that Singapore are just not yet vaccinating whoever they haven't got round to, and their rate is therefore 100%.

@Blessex

And yes Singapore will follow the U.K. approach again once their vaccination % is up again in 2-3 weeks - including the 30% of elderly still unvaccinated.

Will they? Rule Britannia!

I think rhe only thing we got right was the vaccination programme.

I don't think anyone can actually know which countries have done "best" at this stage surely.
So the UK handled it terribly with lockdowns then no lockdown then locldown again. However we have done vaccination well.
My sister lives in Australia she is in her late 40s and clinically vunerable and isn't vaccinated yet, she refuses to get AZ as the media/govt over there is constantly talking about the side effects etc but she can't get a pfizer vaccine as they do not have enough. She said she doesn't know a single vaccinated person. So what is the exit strategy? They can not keep borders shut forever but opening up before vaccinations are at high levels will be a disaster but no one seems to want the vaccines. Its quite a conundrum.

but she can't get a pfizer vaccine as they do not have enough

In a statement, Pfizer said it was committed to delivering the 40 million doses it had been contracted to provide during 2021.

"The total number of 40 million doses we are contracted to deliver to Australia over 2021 has not changed. We continue to work closely with the government to support the ramp-up of their rollout program," it said.

"We expect the remainder of the 40 million doses to be delivered by the end of 2021."

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/australia-to-get-pfizer-covid19-vaccine-supply-august/100279944

@Backofbeyond50

I think rhe only thing we got right was the vaccination programme.

Yes and no. I think it was good they started so early but delaying second doses I'm not so sure about. Spain had a slower start but now has similar levels of fully vaccinated people to the uk (3 weeks between doses). But then Spain is doing very very well on vaccination at the moment, among the best in Europe.

@unwuthering what on earth is wrong with you? Rule Britannia? I am stating a bloody fact. They haven’t said as much but they will. It’s in all the papers

Seriously it’s like having a discussion with a child. When they dont like the facts they throw some curve ball ‘Rule Britannia’ into the mix.

We are not a direct comparable to Singapore as in our elder most vulnerable groups we have over 90% double jabbed, down to our over 70’s and very high levels too in 50 - 70’s. Due to our good decision at the start to work through the ages plus the most vulnerable. Other countries didn’t seem to do this do as consistently and threw it open to over 18’s. That might now prove to be a mistake?

I just think some are determined that the U.K. is doing things wrong when clearly we are doing a lot right.
It really angers some people, hence the silly comments, lord knows why

@sashagabadon yip clearly that does anger some people. You are right on your previous comment too which is exactly why Singapore is putting the brakes on.