Double vaxxed NHS staff don't isolate

3asAbird · 2021-07-18T22:46:00+00:00

From Monday 19th if they double vaxxed they can test daily for 10 days. Surely this risks greater levels of infections In hospitals?

HmmmmmmInteresting · 18/07/2021 23:48

Sounds bonkers

cheninblanc · 18/07/2021 23:48

Where's this reported?

Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo · 18/07/2021 23:48

It seems as though the govt are expecting cases to be so high that they cannot afford for the amount of nhs staffed who would be off because of pings. If it were safe, everyone would have this option.

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3asAbird · 18/07/2021 23:52

It was front page 1 of the papers and discussed sky news press preview.
Suspect bonaface from the mirror said its stupid desperate idea.

I'm not convinced vaccines even block transmission.
Also lft not super accurate.
My freind works nhs not with patients in the lab she had astra zeneca.
I think az is less effective with the delta varient.

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ineedaholidaynow · 18/07/2021 23:54

I assume this is the same as what Boris was meant to be doing, but then did a u turn

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3asAbird · 18/07/2021 23:54

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-staff-could-soon-be-made-exempt-from-self-isolation-rules-if-pinged-by-the-app-12352749

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nordica · 18/07/2021 23:56

The plan is from mid August double vaxxed close contacts don't have to isolate even if someone in their household has covid, so why not do that a month early for the NHS staff? Everyone wanted their freedom day after all. Someone has to be there to treat all the people who will now get ill while enjoying their freedom. 🙄

Northernlurker · 18/07/2021 23:57

We have a pilot running. It's NOT for household or known contacts. Only the app alerts or unknown contacts. Pcr ASAP then daily tests and another pcr and only for staff who are due at work.

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3asAbird · 18/07/2021 23:57

I keep reading lots hospitals and trusts saying don't use the app or switch off as it is.
Also paper mentioned doctors and nurses already deleted the app.

The app is bit the issue its pinging because infections are too high.
If we had not let the infections levels get so high there be less pings, less self isolating and pressure on nhs which despite less patients admitted still cant cope .

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Claymorekick · 19/07/2021 00:04

This bothers me because I'm sure there are a number of NHS staff who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to/cannot be vaccinated. So those staff can continue to have regular and frequent 10 day periods of additional holiday self isolation on full pay whereas their colleagues who have been vaccinated will have to now work and endure daily testing

Seems extremely unfair on those that have done the right thing by choosing to be vaccinated (I appreciate there are a small number who cannot be vaccinated).

Thewiseoneincognito · 19/07/2021 00:50

Well this is a great big sign of ‘FUCK, ITS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS’ if there ever was one.

Next they’ll be saying NHS double vaxxed staff can work if positive with Covid as long as they were another apron and double up on gloves.

Utter madness.

Thewiseoneincognito · 19/07/2021 00:53

@Claymorekick

This bothers me because I'm sure there are a number of NHS staff who, for whatever reason, have chosen not to/cannot be vaccinated. So those staff can continue to have regular and frequent 10 day periods of additional holiday self isolation on full pay whereas their colleagues who have been vaccinated will have to now work and endure daily testing

Seems extremely unfair on those that have done the right thing by choosing to be vaccinated (I appreciate there are a small number who cannot be vaccinated).

So what’s your suggestion for those whom you ‘appreciate can not be vaccinated’? Last time I checked self isolation wasn’t an additional holiday either. 🙄

Jenasaurus · 19/07/2021 01:21

Im NHS (Ambulance Service) we had an email telling us we are still to isolate if a close contact regardless of the change tomorrow.

OnTheBrink1 · 19/07/2021 01:30

Thee isn’t enough NHS staff for as many as are going to be required to isolate in the coming month. It really is as simple as that.
Greater risk of not being saved because there is no one to treat you versus a double vaxxed close contact passing on covid

Canigooutyet · 19/07/2021 01:38

Wasn't this a part of the vax purpose, for those who have been double vaxed to have an unrestricted life?
If your ill you take time off, and because the vax reduces symptoms/transmissions/death why the need to isolate for close contacts?
At least at the moment they have to test.

Expect to see many industries doing the same.

Lucidas · 19/07/2021 03:34

It will be a clusterfuck. In the covid report commissioned by Vallance, the Governments ‘central scenario’ (not worst case) estimates this summer:

750,000 infections a day
20,000 long covid cases a day
750 deaths a day

acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/4747802

Insertfunnyname · 19/07/2021 04:32

What is the alternative?

A indefinite lockdown is utterly unsustainable

GiveMeNovocain · 19/07/2021 04:50

Would you prefer people died because we're isolating healthy staff and delaying treatments even more? Many people working in the NHS have had Covid and both vaccines. If they're not safe now they never will be and all those treatments delayed by restrictions have created a backlog of really complex cases so every case takes longer to treat and discharge. The option to delay further and worsen the cases is no longer there. We also need a functioning society or we'll be stuck with ever worsening waiting lists as lockdown is increasing the long term likelihood of ill health, complex needs and decreased life expectancy. We need an economy to pay for this. The alternative is worse.

Jenasaurus · 19/07/2021 05:43

[quote Lucidas]It will be a clusterfuck. In the covid report commissioned by Vallance, the Governments ‘central scenario’ (not worst case) estimates this summer:

750,000 infections a day
20,000 long covid cases a day
750 deaths a day

acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/4747802[/quote]
Thank you for sharing that report, if its an accurate reflection then delaying to 8th September seems the best option, less than 250 deaths a day compared to 750 by Mid September.

Iquitit · 19/07/2021 05:56

It's going to happen in care homes as well, from August if we're exposed we LFT each day and go to work and do our usual PCR weekly.

And yet on another thread over the weekend healthcare and social care staff have had "Duty of care" rammed down their throats yet again.

Not much duty of care of protection of the vulnerable going on with this policy is there?!

CrouchEndTiger12 · 19/07/2021 06:00

[quote 3asAbird]news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-staff-could-soon-be-made-exempt-from-self-isolation-rules-if-pinged-by-the-app-12352749[/quote]
I've not heard of anyone actually getting cocid after being pinged by the app and told to isolate anyway.

We can't live like this forever.

Spinningaround21 · 19/07/2021 06:14

We were told by the trust we work for last year to turn the app contact tracing off at work as it would identify close contact but would be patients. I’ve not had it on tbh. I check in but the contact side of the app is ridiculous.

I’ve not heard of anything that we don’t have to isolate but I’m on leave. However I’d be surprised if we had confirmed real ( not app) close contact with COVID while cases were so high that we would be wise. We’ve stopped visiting again as some were passing on covid despite a test on arrival. Also people that are vaccinated still can potentially spread it even if it’s reduced by a percentage…

Risky for care homes and hospitals in my eyes. We are struggling for staff as so busy too so I could see why it would happen but hmm.

Should add ive managed not to have any isolations or covid related absence the whole way through.

nether · 19/07/2021 06:19

Would you prefer people died because we're isolating healthy staff and delaying treatments even more?

That'll rather depend on why you're using NHS

If you're on chemo, then contact with such staff might not be remotely healthy for you. Not just because you could becine very ill indeed, but because it's not safe to continue treatment whilst an infection is underway.

We talk a lot about how terrible it is that the number of cancer diagnoses has dropped, and expect that'll mean more deaths. But are ready to cause more deaths to those very same people by having less infection control round staff. And of course are ready to cut them off from the rest of society (the CEV can't really mix, now there are no mitigations in public places)

It's all a bit shit.

And it's a shame we are not going for measures to support the 'best case' lines on those graphs - as they all seem to give is low cases in the winter.

freckles20 · 19/07/2021 06:19

I have a friend who is a HCP on a geriatric ward. She has been told to turn the app off at work.

She has the app on at other times and has been pinged several times since the app went live and each time has been told to come to work by the head of nursing. She has been really upset about it but was worried about loosing her job so did as she was told.

paulhollywoodshairgel · 19/07/2021 06:26

My sister works for the local NHS trust and they started following this procedure last Monday. PCR on day 1 & 5 of being pinged and LFT or lamp test every day. 6 people on the ward she works on were pinged on Monday. All followed this protocol. No one positive so far. All used their common sense while not at work. Avoided crowds, social distancing etc.