Teens will not be routinely vaccinated, JCVI recommends

[noblegiraffe]

Their report isn't out till tomorrow, but continuing with the govt tradition of making big announcements via favoured news outlets, the Telegraph reports that the guidance will be that children aged 12+ will not be offered routine covid vaccinations.

"Instead, under guidance due to be issued on Monday, jabs will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to Covid or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus. They will also now be offered to all 17-year-olds within three months of their 18th birthday."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/17/children-will-get-covid-vaccines-vulnerable/

So from September, there will be literally nothing stopping covid spreading around schools bar the odd open window.

@Booger123

Those who are adamant about vaccinating teens.

Your trust the JCVI with all the other decisions about the adult vaccination programme, but in this case it is a bad decision.

So adults who refuse the vax are dumb and not doctors or scientists, but because they use their medical and scientific training to decided not to vax teens, now you have a facebook medical degree.

They are doing their job.

Yes, I agree with this. As I said, I personally have no objection to vaccinating over 12’s. However in the absence of me being an expert in the field of vaccination, I’m happy to trust the judgement of those who are. I.e the JCVI. It does seem like some of the people saying we have to ‘follow the science’ only mean the science that they particularly agree with. It will be interesting to see the data that the JCVI have based their decision on.

@Hairbrush123

I wonder what JVCI’s reasons are for this? The US and France are vaccinating 12-17 year olds.

The benefits don’t outweigh the risks for children. They said last month that vaccinating children would mainly be for the benefit of others and now that the delta strain is infecting double vaccinated adults and it doesn’t look like herd immunity will be possible, the benefits are even smaller.

@Farevalah

I’m glad they’ve reached this decision. DS is 13 and I wouldn't have let him have the vaccine anyway - I don’t think enough is known about the long term side effects so risk possibly outweighs the benefit in vaxxing teens. (Not anti vaccine btw, DH and I are fully jabbed.)

Good for you. I’d like to choose whether my DC have the vaccine, but I can’t now, as it’s not an option.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57876608

This seems more sympathetic to the idea

I don't understand why those who don't want to jab their kids - and would in no circumstance ever be forced to - are determined to take the choice away from everyone else.

Because they don’t want their children to be ostracised and/or feel coerced into vaccination in the same way young, low risk people have been.

@Appuskidu

Why do we have to go first with this?

You do realise that other countries have already been doing this?

Which other country has reopened completely with 50% of their population vaccinated, and an infection rate of 350/100k per 7 days and rising rapidly?

@bumbleymummy

I don't understand why those who don't want to jab their kids - and would in no circumstance ever be forced to - are determined to take the choice away from everyone else.

Because they don’t want their children to be ostracised and/or feel coerced into vaccination in the same way young, low risk people have been.

This.

Look how quickly adult vaccination escalated.

Just read the threads on here with people being accused of being anti-vax and selfish and people calling for the unvaccinated to have healthcare and basic freedoms removed.

@mrshoho

I'm pretty sure (hopeful) there will be a u turn on this decision soon enough.

In the meantime it's good news for 12+ vulnerable but I feel for the families of under 12s CEV children who face the prospects of no protection in schools and elsewhere.

Yep - basically I now have to accept that my vulnerable 8 year old will definitely catch Covid, whatever the consequences. No vaccine on the horizon for her, no mitigations whatsoever in schools - and now no possibility that her 3 siblings (aged 12-16) can get vaccinated in order to protect her. It's most certainly not good news for our family.

Jcvi are scientists scientists have told us not to vaccinate kids abs I thought we “listened to the scientists” or is it more “find a scientist who thinks what I think and listen to them” which isn’t the same thing.

@bumbleymummy

I don't understand why those who don't want to jab their kids - and would in no circumstance ever be forced to - are determined to take the choice away from everyone else.

Because they don’t want their children to be ostracised and/or feel coerced into vaccination in the same way young, low risk people have been.

Absolutely. The number of threads I’ve seen that go along the lines of ‘would you visit an unvaccinated osteopath’ or ‘would you socialise with the walking vectors of disease that are the unvaccinated’.

I don't understand why those who don't want to jab their kids - and would in no circumstance ever be forced to - are determined to take the choice away from everyone else

But those people don’t have a say in the decision anyway! They’re just expressing an opinion, in the same way that those who want their children vaccinating are expressing an opinion. They aren’t making the JCVI recommendations!

Japan is stopping any spectators and curtailing freedoms and there incident rate is 1,000 a day. We are letting it run through society, those who say let's see what happens to other countries with vaccinated kids fails to see we are taking a different risk approach by letting it spread unchecked through our children.

What about when a much larger number of scientists are saying the opposite?

Israel, USA, many other countries all vaccinating 12+. Why have their scientists come to a different conclusion?

Israel in particular has managed the pandemic far better than we have, so I think it's entirely reasonable to look at what they're doing.

Our government advisors have been wrong many times about covid and ignored what the scientists from WHO and other countries were saying. I can't think of a single example where we were right and they were wrong.

@bumbleymummy

I don't understand why those who don't want to jab their kids - and would in no circumstance ever be forced to - are determined to take the choice away from everyone else.

Because they don’t want their children to be ostracised and/or feel coerced into vaccination in the same way young, low risk people have been.

Oh, so your dc possibly having their feelings hurt by being 'ostracised' trumps my dc's right to get vaccinated in order to protect their vulnerable sibling? Great.

@pinkpip100 did you read the recent study showing how low the hospitalisation rate was even vulnerable children? You might find some reassurance there. I know it’s not a guarantee but the incidence of hospitalisation for children with rsv/flu is much much higher every year.

Really?!

Yep, Rainbow, Robert Dingwall, a sociologist on the JCVI has been retweeting U4T and coordinated an open letter to the government demanding all restrictions were dropped, signed by the GBD lot.

Politically neutral he is not.

@noblegiraffe

Really?!

Yep, Rainbow, Robert Dingwall, a sociologist on the JCVI has been retweeting U4T and coordinated an open letter to the government demanding all restrictions were dropped, signed by the GBD lot.

Politically neutral he is not.

I think an element of political bias is true for a lot of our scientists. Look at who is funding independent sage, for example.

@VanGoSunflowers

I reckon they should do something similar to the flu vaccine. Charge people who aren’t eligible.

So, if someone wants their child vaccinated but they don’t fall in to any of the categories that make them vulnerable, pop down to your local Boots and pay £20 for the privilege.

They could at least claw back some of the money they pissed away over nightingale hospitals and T&T…

I would definitely pay for my 16yr old DS and me. He doesn't want any more education disrupted and wants to protect himself and his family. I'm only 1yr out of qualifying for the booster, despite having autoimmune disease (not one on the list), working in a school and having DS in another school. I paid for a flu jab last year and would pay for a Covid jab if that was possible.

I don't understand people saying they are happy with the decision. Surely people opposed children vaccinated have no impact by either way. They can simply opt out. Those who wants vaccine are denied a choice.

The government doesn’t pay any attention to independent sage though do they?

I don’t think it’s appropriate for scientists on government bodies to be publicly supporting anti-lockdown political campaign groups.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Appuskidu the bloody vaccine is more dangerous than covid to kids ffs I am sick of seeing all the jab kids posts. You want yours jabbed fine, do it - but not everyone wants them jabbed [/quote]
You don't have to get your kid jabbed if you and or they choose not too.

But most people I know would like their kids done or at least the option.

My 16yo is double jabbed and I'm glad he is - it was his choice when he was offered.

Can I just ask, those of you who are saying (either way) that you would choose for your child, would it not actually be up to the child (if they are capable of making that decision). I mean when my 11yo is 12 he won't actually be able to make that decision due to LD, but if he were able (he's CV so would be able to get it), then I would sit down with him and then it would ultimately be his decision.
As it is I will be talking to him nearer the time and still taking his views in to account, so he'll have some input in the ultimate decision.

@roguetomato

I don't understand people saying they are happy with the decision. Surely people opposed children vaccinated have no impact by either way. They can simply opt out. Those who wants vaccine are denied a choice.

But parents are denied a choice about plenty of things to do with their children, medically. Because parents don’t always make the right choices. That’s why we have and have always had scientists telling us what is in the best interests, medically, for our children.

It is crazy not to vaccinate children.

We should at least start with 16-18 year olds, to allow A levels to work properly again.

We cannot have our children as COVID nurseries, with the virus continually mutating until it achieves vaccine escape.

Whilst it might be argued that the risk of death is (very marginally) less via infection that innoculation, the risks to everyone else, education and the economy is lessened via a vaccination programme.

Ultimately, all the above will lead to better outcomes for the children themselves, as well. In addition, of course, they escape a nasty and avoidable illness (even if not, generally, dangerous).

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@halcyondays prove how it's safer for kids?[/quote]
Can you prove how it isnt?

For a start it's known to reduce transmission. That's a major benefit in the school environment.