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France on “dark amber” list

180 replies

PersephoneJames · 16/07/2021 20:40

You have to quarantine if coming back from France, doubly vaccinated or not.

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PersephoneJames · 16/07/2021 22:24

150k Brits live in France and presumably many more have family there. There really is a special corner of hell for the sanctimonious “well you shouldn’t have booked a holiday should you ner ner” posters.

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Ylvamoon · 16/07/2021 22:26

@theotherfossilsister - GO and see your Dad!!

(My family lives abroad. I lost my grandad last November, my mum called me back in September to tell me, that he's not doing well. I had to take unpaid leave in oder to see him. Best thing I have done in a long time!)

EmpathyBypass · 16/07/2021 22:30

@ginghamstarfish

Yes, as I said I am sorry for those affected and do realise that not all travel is for holidays. However I am a bit sick of people whinging about this very subject when they are going on a holiday, in the middle of a pandemic with rapidly changing rules, who then moan about these changes.

But holidays are not what most people on this thread are concerned about, is it?

EileenGC · 16/07/2021 22:30

It's utterly ridiculous because of how inconsistent it all is. We're all aware the pandemic is still here, no one is expecting 2019-levels of travel and freedom.

What's unacceptable is how the UK government keep changing their mind at the last minute, give no clear guidelines on how decisions are taken, and then blame the public when something goes wrong.

I live in Germany and there is a travel update every week, on the same day and around the same time, each time. The way they decide what risk level to assign to each country is available to publicly view online. There are clear numbers and guidelines that tell you when a country will change status. Even during the week, you can clearly predict how it's going to change because they have a set system that takes into account incidence, variants, vaccination rates, hospitalisations and local protective measures - they all determine which category each country belongs to.

All this messing around with colours and shades of the bloody rainbow without it making any sense, or without explaining to people what's the cut for making one list or the other, or based on what they have taken the decisions... it only tells people that they themselves don't really know what they're talking about, and how much of a mess the leadership of the country is.

There needs to be a system that is explained to the public and is updated on a regular basis (bar emergency situations - France tonight was definitely not one), not just when they feel like it.
They need to say above X number, Y% of variants ABC and Z% of vaccinations the country will be green/amber/red/navy freaking blue and so on.
They need to not backtrack on their decisions 4 days after giving people the go ahead to make travel arrangements.
They need to come up with a system that allows people to go see their families in a country with a much safer Covid scene, without punishing them economically on the way back.
They need to start accepting valid vaccination certificates from other countries. It really is not that difficult to read a piece of paper issued by another country, that's actually written in English.

Life is going on in Europe while Boris is fucking up our lives.
This. I hate these political games more than anything and am not defending them, but the UK need to realise how most countries in the world - not just Europe - are taking reasonable decisions and adopting protective measures, whilst allowing their citizens the basic right to leave and re-enter their country of residence, especially when they pose a minuscule risk to the community by doing so. Apparently 'freedom day', whatever that means, is more important than remembering we live in a globalised society where most countries are moving on and coping just fine.

Silkiecats · 16/07/2021 22:30

I have a French Dh with 88 year old Mum who lives alone in France, he hasn't been able to see her since Feb 20. He thought vaccines would mean he could see her again but that's out of the window now.

theotherfossilsister Flowers

CovidCorvid · 16/07/2021 22:31

Surely everyone can just join the Michael Gove special scheme and test to release? 🤷‍♀️

I mean we’re all in it together and he didn’t have to quarantine after going to Portugal for a totally unnecessary football match.

And then you read about people on here who can’t see their seriously ill parents…..heartbreaking!

EileenGC · 16/07/2021 22:36

each to their own but I can't see how a foreign holiday is of such importance that you would take this risk.

We're not going on holidays. People have elderly parents, sick relatives, family they haven't seen in years, WORK. People in my industry who live in the UK have lost up to 80% of their income this year because they weren't allowed to travel - in a safe way - and do their (non-essential) jobs. Apparently if you have a non-essential job you're exempt from paying rent or having to give money in exchange for food.

It's also not a risk. Definitely not any riskier than the 19th of July madness. People are happy to be vaccinated, tested, called 37 times a day to check they're complying with measures, if it means we can go and do our ESSENTIAL business where it needs taking care of.

Not everyone is jetting off to Ibiza for a jolly. There are actually many essential reasons to travel, even in a pandemic - many of which aren't even accounted for on their essential lists.

Moonlight1972 · 16/07/2021 22:36

@ginghamstarfish are you being dense on purpose? We want to see our family !! Its not an holiday.

MotherOfCrocodiles · 16/07/2021 22:37

Does anyone know if this will apply if just driving through France to another country?

HugoToWin · 16/07/2021 22:38

@ginghamstarfish

Yes, as I said I am sorry for those affected and do realise that not all travel is for holidays. However I am a bit sick of people whinging about this very subject when they are going on a holiday, in the middle of a pandemic with rapidly changing rules, who then moan about these changes.
This.

I hope the people who need to get there manage to.

EileenGC · 16/07/2021 22:38

Oh yes, don't even get me started on football. I say this as a massive football fan, but someone has to explain to me why all that was safe, but me visiting my friend who is about to lose it because her father has cancer, isn't.

If football wasn't a risk, then visiting your family isn't either. Let people take their own damn decisions instead of deciding what's safe or what's not, based on how much money the move would make you.

Dustyboots · 16/07/2021 22:42

*To announce this on a Friday just days after letting people hope they can see their families again?

It’s inhumane. This government are so hateful.*

Do they do this so we never vote for them again?

Is this emotional bullying to batter us all into brainless submission?

There has to be a reason they are behaving like this. It is appalling. Why are they doing it?

I mean it's obviously political tit for tat with France - there are variants of all sorts all over the bloody place -and as someone else said the UK is brewing most of them with it's reckless Covid free for all.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/07/2021 22:42

@ginghamstarfish

Sorry for those affected but surely you have to bear in mind that this can happen given the nature of the pandemic? each to their own but I can't see how a foreign holiday is of such importance that you would take this risk.
Holiday my arse. Do you not realised thousands of people have relatives, particularly elderly parents or grandparents over there? Dh hasn’t seen his elderly father for 2 years. We’ve both had one of the 3 batch nos not recognised in france now this is another spanner in the works. Scuppered by another two idiotic and chaotic decisions by our government.
ChardonnaysPetDragon · 16/07/2021 22:45

mean it's obviously political tit for tat with France - there are variants of all sorts all over the bloody place -and as someone else said the UK is brewing most of them with it's reckless Covid free for all.

Now that’s just not true. Beta came from SA and Delta from India.

Kent might have been a U.K. variant but saying it’s the U.K. “brewing” them is a blatant misrepresentation.

IvorHughJarrs · 16/07/2021 22:45

[quote Moonlight1972]@ginghamstarfish are you being dense on purpose? We want to see our family !! Its not an holiday.[/quote]
I have huge sympathy for you all and agree it is shit after all the football shenanigans but you can bring Covid back just the same from visiting family as from a holiday, maybe even more likely if you are mixing households indoors

Abraxan · 16/07/2021 22:46

@ginghamstarfish

Sorry for those affected but surely you have to bear in mind that this can happen given the nature of the pandemic? each to their own but I can't see how a foreign holiday is of such importance that you would take this risk.
And those travelling to see family, including a poster a little above your post who has elderly parents and one very ill??
Aalvarino · 16/07/2021 22:49

I'm really sorry for those of you who have sick or elderly relatives in countries not easy to visit :(

Regarding work, check whether you have a legal entitlement to time off for caring emergencies. Most employees will. It's unpaid unless you're employer is feeling generous but it's a possibility I hope.

NB.. it doesn't apply if you knew about the situation in advance. It's for emergencies. You might have to be a little bit creative.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/07/2021 22:50

Ivor.
Yes as have people moving round this country. We haven’t done that. We are double vaccinated. Shouldn’t we get to see family we haven’t seen in 2 years?

EasterIssland · 16/07/2021 22:54

@MotherOfCrocodiles

Does anyone know if this will apply if just driving through France to another country?
@MotherOfCrocodiles someone was saying in another thread that yes it does
EasterIssland · 16/07/2021 22:55

@IvorHughJarrs don’t you think night clubs/ weddings / going back to offices etc etc are also moving the virus around?

cherin · 16/07/2021 23:06

Driving through is probably enough to require quarantine, at least that’s what I understood from the news.
It’s a second take of the nightmare of last summer, when even without vaccines there were tons of people like us who just could not stay away from home. Many of us have elderly parents, or partners abroad, or objective needs to be abroad, or very simply the need to get away from the shitshow of a country which seems to have managed the situation in a masochistic way, at every single fork road it choose the worst option. I don’t understand what’s so difficult: to manage a situation you can’t send confused messages. They’ve managed to confuse everybody, even the ones like me who are diligent rule takers.
Italy did a similar thing last year, with regions coloured in shades and stripes. Rules and exceptions and forms and blabla. Didn’t end well.
I am tempted to leave and not come back

minipie · 16/07/2021 23:08

Agh. We were due to go there to see parents 26 July - 7 August. Currently trying to guess the chances that the quarantine will be dropped by 7 August when we return…

From the announcement wording, it seems this is a holding position while the UK govt figure out the trend of Beta cases in France (in fact they are decreasing, being overtaken by Delta, and are mostly in the overseas territories like Reunion rather than mainland,… but there are definitely a chunk of Beta cases on the mainland too) and the efficacy of the vaccine against Beta (currently appears to be low against catching it, but high against serious illness from it, but hard to be sure and more study required). I am hopeful that in 3 weeks they will be less concerned by Beta … but maybe I am just clinging to straws.

I mean it's obviously political tit for tat with France

I gather France has just tightened its pre arrival test requirements for unvaccinated Brits. Maybe related to that. Who knows

CloudPop · 16/07/2021 23:09

@cooperage

It's the robust Beta variant related. France doesn't do much sequencing so it's not easy to know just how prevalent it is but it would seem that it's more rampant than the French want to admit (hence the strong-arm techniques they're using to get people to get vaccinated).

My guess is that Beta is a significant enough threat even to the vaccinated here (as AZ seems to be less effective against it than Pfizer) for the govt to be pretty keen to keep it out.

My guess is that there is yet another French/English argument. The Beta / South African variant had no impact on either the UK or South Africa. SA'd current wave is entirely Delta. Load of political bollocks, as usual.
CloudPop · 16/07/2021 23:14

And why does everyone assume that the only covid risk to the UK comes from "foreign parts". Nonsensical

notimagain · 16/07/2021 23:16

Despite rumours to the contrary sequencing is done in France…

Apparently beta variant is having a big impact at the moment in France. So despite the uk has highest numbers , France has got a variant that is a threat to the uk hence why this movement

Over the last few weeks the percentage of beta cases had dropped rapidly and midweek accounted for about 10% of total cases, verses delta at over 60%,.

The uptick in total case numbers (now around 10k) a day no doubt means absolute number of betas is on the rise but I wouldn’t characterise it as having a big impact in the overall scheme of things, delta doing that here all by itself.

Contentious issue I know but it’s been mention upthread - could the (unspoken) problem here actually be the rumours/demonstrated different levels of effectiveness the various vaccines against the beta variant?