France pulls out the big guns!

[NotPregnantJustChubs]

I live in France and Macron has just made a speech saying that from the end of July, vaccination or a negative test is going to be compulsory for cultural and entertainment venues. From August, it’ll be compulsory for cafes and restaurants too. This applies to all 12+.

PCR tests will become paid as of September, to encourage vaccination.

I’m already vaccinated, thankfully, and I do think it’s necessary to contain the delta variant. But wowza, I’m waiting to hear the backlash in the morning. Macron is up for reelection next year as well, they must be very desperate to contain this…

@MeadowLines

Similar was announced in Ireland a few days ago

Are ireland vaccinating over 12s then ?

if they can coerce people into medical things they don't want, that's got to be next on the hitlist. Once "my body, my choice" is gone, the precedent is set.

Yes, I agree. It’s frightening where this could end up. At the moment though, people are so desperate to go to the pub, go on holiday etc, that they don’t care/aren’t seeing it/don’t want to see it.

The test will still be free if you're having symptoms or have been a contact case, just not if you're only having it because you want to go to a restaurant or concert.

People will just lie and say they have symptoms then.

We will have to stay at home too

Pity the ski trippers didnt do that in Feb/March 2020. But then they knew they could always screech at poorer ppl that its all their fault so all good.

@VoiceFaceArse

if they can coerce people into medical things they don't want, that's got to be next on the hitlist. Once "my body, my choice" is gone, the precedent is set.

Yes, I agree. It’s frightening where this could end up. At the moment though, people are so desperate to go to the pub, go on holiday etc, that they don’t care/aren’t seeing it/don’t want to see it.

You could say the same about the Britain or 'Plague Island' as it has been dubbed. So desperate to be back to 'normal' they just can't see that they are creating a breeding ground for variants, frightening where it might end up!

@IRanSoFarAway1

Loud my point is, if they can coerce people into medical things they don't want, that's got to be next on the hitlist. Once "my body, my choice" is gone, the precedent is set.

There's never been 'my body, my choice'. Mentally ill people are treated against their will. Why? The reasoning is if they are a danger to themselves or others. Is that right? Up to you to decide what you think, but certainly the precedent was set centuries ago.

Yes what @OuiOuiKitty says

Delta and antibody waning mean plenty of double vaccinated people will be susceptible whatever

Do you have any good links to articles on the antibody waning? Genuine question, not the MN 'What are your sources for this?'

Once "my body, my choice" is gone, the precedent is set

If it comes to this the ones crying out for these Covid measures will NC so fast that MN will crash. Because they will want support from us feminists if something like abortion is made harder, without us knowing that they are some of the ones who welcomed it with open arms.
Well im 48 Close to the menopause and not sexually active. So not sure i would have the band with to care after all this. Ive had to shut a lot down emotionally to cope with all the psyops tactics we have been put through.
So i only have this to give you if you are crying out for this. Be careful what you wish for. If you want this.........that is all you will get from me.

@Tealightsandd

There's never been 'my body, my choice'. Mentally ill people are treated against their will. Why? The reasoning is if they are a danger to themselves or others. Is that right? Up to you to decide what you think, but certainly the precedent was set centuries ago

No, just no. Please don't compare people spreading Covid to something that acute as a mental health condition. I have been sectioned... I was unwell and for sure a danger to myself at the time.
It is an absolute world away from Covid measures where the vast majority of people do not have Covid, so are not a danger to people.

The two are not comparible.

YY @XenoBitch Ridiculous and offensive comparison.

Maybe now people can see what other countries are doing they will shut up about what’s happening in the uk.

Personally I wouldn’t have a problem if we went down covid passport routes here

No we're not vaccinating over 12s here in Ireland. But we're going to have a weird situation where I will be able to dine indoors (when I have my second Pfizer vaccine in a couple of days, yippee) but my 22 year old daughter won't be able to dine with me as her age group haven't been vaccinated yet! She's on a waiting list to get a vaccine in a pharmacy but they have long lists and not much supply. But she could work in the same restaurant! It's bonkers.

@Hollyhobbi Absolutely ridiculous situation.

@IRanSoFarAway1

Loud my point is, if they can coerce people into medical things they don't want, that's got to be next on the hitlist. Once "my body, my choice" is gone, the precedent is set.

And why would that be on the hit list?

Well, you're claiming that abortion is going to be banned in France, I guess I'd like to know why, maybe you have info I don't have.

YY @IRanSoFarAway1 In my case im child free by choice

@Thekindofwindowsfaceslookinat

Delta and antibody waning mean plenty of double vaccinated people will be susceptible whatever

Do you have any good links to articles on the antibody waning? Genuine question, not the MN 'What are your sources for this?'

It’s discussed in the article I linked:

www.timesofisrael.com/data-appears-to-indicate-covid-vaccine-protection-starts-fading-after-6-months/

Based on Israeli gov data. They’ve had a big drop off in efficacy for Pfizer the last few weeks (95 to 64%) and now this mention of it being correlated to time of vaccine is concerning. Lots of proper data from scientists on Twitter about it. Still seems like vaccines are protecting reasonably well against hospitalisation, although this has also weakened some.

Worth keeping an eye on their situation as they were very fast in their rollout and are essentially the canary down the coal mine for measuring immune decay. But they opted for a 3 week interval between doses, unlike our 11-12.

Does anybody have any further info for the unlucky 5 million of us that had the Indian vaccine in March. Wonder if this will be accepted in France or anywhere else for that matter where proof of double vaccine is required or will we still need a PCR test despite being double vaccinated ?
I think its only a matter of time before England follows suit.

IndigoC

Thanks for that - I have no idea how I managed to perception-filter out the link itself in your post, except that I'm (semi) working and tired!

I was trying to follow the Israeli situation and to catch up properly with the newer news about delaying/dose intervals/improved immune response.

Your post has prompted me, thanks.