What if the vaccines hasn’t broken the link

[DisposableNamechange]

Between infection and death.

What if it’s just slowed it down? (Ie more time elapses between becoming infected and dying.)

I’d been wondering this anyway but deaths have increased by a bigger percentage than infections, according to Sky.

‘COVID cases in the past week have risen by just over 27% compared with the previous week while deaths have risen by two thirds.’

This is what we've been saying for months.

Hospitalisations are already rising exponentially, and the deaths are already baked in.

We already know the vaccines haven't completely severed the link. If they have reduced the number of hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated population. Deaths are rising now because of the lag. Also, case numbers are probably dropping because it seems people are avoiding testing IMO.

There is no evidence to support your suggestion.

Sorry- typo. Not if they have. It should be- they have reduced

Cases this week and deaths this week are not linked at all. So your post makes no sense.

@NannyAndJohn

This is what we've been saying for months.

Hospitalisations are already rising exponentially, and the deaths are already baked in.

This is just not true

I work in a hospital and we’ve had a lot of ‘incidental’ covid positive cases. As in people coming in with other ailments and being symptomless covid positive.

NannyAndJohn

This is what we've been saying for months.

Hospitalisations are already rising exponentially, and the deaths are already baked in.

This is just not true

This is true, hospitalizations have begun to grow exponentially.

@DisposableNamechange

Between infection and death.

What if it’s just slowed it down? (Ie more time elapses between becoming infected and dying.)

I’d been wondering this anyway but deaths have increased by a bigger percentage than infections, according to Sky.

‘COVID cases in the past week have risen by just over 27% compared with the previous week while deaths have risen by two thirds.’

Because deaths this week reflect the case rate a couple of weeks ago, where they were rising quite sharply (up to around 70% which correlates to the 2/3rds now)

The case rate of growth has dropped so in a couple of weeks time the deaths rate of growth should drop too.

@SonnetForSpring

NannyAndJohn

This is what we've been saying for months.

Hospitalisations are already rising exponentially, and the deaths are already baked in.

This is just not true

This is true, hospitalizations have begun to grow exponentially.

Firstly, hospitalisations are increasing, but much more slowly than when we had more restrictions last summer, and secondly, being in hospital doesn't mean inevitable death at the same rate as before either due to better treatment and less serious infection so no, it's not true

If you're vaccinated, then your risk of getting sick enough to be admitted to hospital is greatly reduced.

If you still get ill enough to be in hospital, then you are less likely to die if you have been vaccinated.

That of course doesn't mean nobody who is vaccinated is going to die. They will - but at much smaller numbers than had they been vaccinated. Some people will die having tested positive for Covid but of an entirely unrelated condition like cancer or a heart attack.

It's just plain wrong to suggest that vaccination is just prolonging the agony and rather than dying within a fortnight if you get covid, it's stringing it out to 6 weeks, 6 months, a year.

And newsflash - we're all going to die of something.

@NannyAndJohn

This is what we've been saying for months.

Hospitalisations are already rising exponentially, and the deaths are already baked in.

Who is "we"?

Firstly, hospitalisations are increasing, but much more slowly than when we had more restrictions last summer, and secondly, being in hospital doesn't mean inevitable death at the same rate as before either due to better treatment and less serious infection so no, it's not true

None of these points mean that hospitalizations are not growing exponentially. I'm afraid you have missed the point.

That of course doesn't mean nobody who is vaccinated is going to die. They will - but at much smaller numbers than had they been vaccinated. Some people will die having tested positive for Covid but of an entirely unrelated condition like cancer or a heart attack.

That should be "at much smaller numbers than had they been UNvaccinated", of course.

@CloseYourEyesAndSee The most recent doubling time for hospitalisations is 11 days. That's exponential growth.

I think you need to OpenYourEyes, @CloseYourEyes.

A friend who works in hospital told me that they are seeing younger covid patients (< 50yrs) but they are much less ill/ less likely to require ventilation/ are discharged sooner.

Anyone with half a brain, @OliveTree75.

‘We’ = a few MN addicts.

They weren’t growing at all ‘months’ ago so not sure why you’ve been saying it?

Honestly, have a day off Nanny. Get off your phone and live your life.

Everybody realised cases, hospitalisations and deaths would start to rise once restrictions were removed.

For some bizarre reason, nanny thinks this comes as a shock.

The only real debate is how high and quickly it would happen. Some insisted that there would be 100k cases in June. Many others said that was ridiculous and it would take longer.

And even though it is taking longer, and cases, hospitalisation and deaths aren't spiking as rapidly as some posters insisted it would, somehow they are the ones that were right all along.

Bizarre.

Anyway, the title of this thread is stupid. "What if the vaccine hasn't broken the link". All the evidence shows that it has. If not entirely, has decreased the likelihood of serious illness and death by a staggering percentage.

OP might as well have posted "what if Boris Johnson is really a woman" or "what if England beat Italy 200-1" or "what if the moon really is made of cream cheese" or any other nonsense.

Who is "we"?....

Nanny AND John 😉

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of hospitalised cases - is this available anywhere?

So - age groups, admission length (this is surely key), direct covid admission versus indirect (so were they admitted FOR covid or have they tested positive on a routine test when be treated for something entirely unrelated),

These stats would give so much more context.

A totally anecdotal case is an acquaintance of mine - felt absolutely awful, tested positive and 2 days later were having chest pains and some trouble taking deep breaths. Went to hospital and were admitted for less than 24 hours. They stayed the night but it was literally 18 hours or so.
He now thinks it was a big of a panic attack which caused the chest symptoms as they calmed right down within a few hours.

It’s only one small example but an 18 hour covid admission is a very different scenario to a 6 day in ICU admission isn’t it

@Myalternate

Who is "we"?....

Nanny AND John 😉

😂😂😂😂 Of course, silly me!

Well I’m waiting to get into Wembley.
So if everyone in the whole country isn’t dead in two weeks, you’ve been taking shite!