No masks after 19th July- despite the scientific consensus for them

[herecomesthsun]

I happened to notice that we had reached 1000 posts on the other thread - so I started a new one .

I would say obesity and individualism are linked

Obesity and capitalism are linked. I don't think it has anything to do with individualism. If there is a way to make a profit from cheap food, people are going to damn sure going to find a way of getting us to eat more of it

Undercover there is some correlation quite interesting, we have heavy marketing, inequality and other stuff that makes us more obese generally

Do you think many have sacrificed a lot this last 18 months?

@MarshaBradyo far too much. It’s been dreadful in the UK. I think we’ve had one of the worst death rates and responses worldwide. We should have been proactive, lockdown earlier, closed borders and had clear guidance from above. That’s the government. Science wise, we’ve been brilliant and the government should have listened to the scientists.

@Enb76 @MarshaBradyo

This map is really interesting - maps out individualistic cultures worldwide.

geerthofstede.com/culture-geert-hofstede-gert-jan-hofstede/6d-model-of-national-culture/

Undercover Yes I agree far too much

But I’m afraid science was not on our side in the early days

The WHO said don’t close borders and SAGE early Feb 2020 minutes said do peak now not winter - not blaming them but I was surprised to read it

Also I’ve been pondering on what made it harder also made us get to vaccines

Attractive / international / competitive- maybe linked to individualism

A few countries managed it successfully- with efficacy

Possibly something in that too

@MarshaBradyo I have also pondered the exact same thing! Yes - I think it has secured us the vaccines. So maybe it’s the thing that’s saved us? OR - as this is a worldwide pandemic, with new mutations arising worldwide - should we have vaccinated equally, everywhere as the best way to combat Covid?

I think we’re trying

If you listen to Oxford team on at cost vaccine their vision was incredibly altruistic

I don’t know about diverting vaccines as some get upset that 12 plus don’t have it here and other countries do. I’d probably choose to keep it if I could and JCVI agree but I recognise I’m interested in my society which has been hit so hard.

and here is a thread on vaccines and the science behind them by an Oxford Professor of Primary Care Medicine. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1414294003479089154.html

I wrote vaccines and meant masks oops sorry

And here is a very good article in the FT on the political manoeuvring that led Johnson to drop masks despite the scientific consensus in support of them.

www.ft.com/content/897bb179-af82-47cf-ac25-69d60edaa0b8

The Mayor has announced that wearing masks will continue in London- thank goodness.

@Parker231not ‘in London’- on the transport network yes, but not ‘in London’ in shops/bars etc.

Sorry - yes on transport although some shops are also maintaining masks. Our local deli, gift shop and chemists have signs up saying that masks must continue to be wore - hopefully other shops will follow.

[quote herecomesthsun]And here is a very good article in the FT on the political manoeuvring that led Johnson to drop masks despite the scientific consensus in support of them.

www.ft.com/content/897bb179-af82-47cf-ac25-69d60edaa0b8[/quote]
It's behind a paywall. Is there any other access?

It wasn't behind a paywall for me, going through twitter.

This any better?

twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1415017181348253698

My hairdresser, physio, gp and dds beautician are all continuing to insist on masks