Let's face it, they're letting it rip.

[ZednotZee]

Aren't they?

The vaccines aren't seemingly preventing transmission.

We are opening up on the 19th.

This is being done presumably as the public appetite for further lockdowns will be nil come October/November so best to get it over with now and have heard immunity come the autumn.

They won't say it but its becoming very clear that the immunocompromised need to continue to shield til the rest of us have contracted and got over the infection.

[quote Delatron]@AnAnxiousSeagull that’s with cancer currently not people who have had cancer in the past. And the article you linked shows that blood cancers are more at risk from Covid than solid tumours.[/quote]
The inclusion criteria was a history of cancer, not currently active cancer.

I know that blood cancer is a higher risk. 41% case fatality v 17% for solid tumours in this study. I'm talking about the 17%.

Am delighted life is now fully back to normal. Holidays, meeting friends and families. Booked a couple of holidays abroad this summer. A few tests is a small price to pay. Masks in the bin.

Feel sympathy for those who are vulnerable but not enough to continue living in lockdown. My children have given up enough of their lives now they need them back fully.
Today is a great day!

Am delighted life is now fully back to normal

Ermmmmm

@MrsJuliaGulia

Am delighted life is now fully back to normal. Holidays, meeting friends and families. Booked a couple of holidays abroad this summer. A few tests is a small price to pay. Masks in the bin.

Feel sympathy for those who are vulnerable but not enough to continue living in lockdown. My children have given up enough of their lives now they need them back fully.
Today is a great day!

It's not today.

@MrsJuliaGulia

Am delighted life is now fully back to normal. Holidays, meeting friends and families. Booked a couple of holidays abroad this summer. A few tests is a small price to pay. Masks in the bin.

Feel sympathy for those who are vulnerable but not enough to continue living in lockdown. My children have given up enough of their lives now they need them back fully.
Today is a great day!

Unless you're ECV of course, but fuck that lot, right?

@AnAnxiousSeagull I’ve reread your link a few times and it states the whole way through ‘patients with cancer’ I can’t find a mention of ‘history of cancer’

I would quite like to know if having breast cancer 10 years ago means I have a 10% change of dying of Covid? But that article simply doesn’t mention history of cancer. If I’m missing that part please direct me to it. (Not being arsey just interested because of my history!).

@MrsJuliaGulia

Roll on the 19th. 🙌

It's survival of the fittest. That's how nature works, always has, always will. Hiding inside forever won't stop it.

I've always had a feeling that for a lot of people they go through life not realizing at some point we all die. This is the first time they have faced their mortality. Rather than take responsibility and enjoy what life they have got they want to hide away and hope it won't happen and make everyone else miserable.

I'm going out maskless and enjoying myself. Life is short. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Looks like we have come full circle and are back to "well we can't lockdown for everyone, the vulnerable will just have to shield, children have given up enough"
Obviously CEV children don't count..

I don't really care at this point what other people do but I just ask if someone is still wearing a mask and asks you to distance them give them the courtesy of doing it. I've upgraded to an FFP2 mask to hopefully keep myself safer

Obviously CEV children don't count.

Nor do CEV people of working age who are perfectly able to be economically productive IF there are sufficient safeguards for them - masks, social distancing.

@chocolateorangeinhaler survival of the fittest you say?
I assume you have never visited a doctor, a dentist, a hospital, had any sort of medicine or wear glasses etc or had any sort of medical intervention because if you do you are one big hypocrite otherwise you’re some sort of a super human or a some God.

@chocolateorangeinhaler

It's survival of the fittest. That's how nature works, always has, always will. Hiding inside forever won't stop it.

I've always had a feeling that for a lot of people they go through life not realizing at some point we all die. This is the first time they have faced their mortality. Rather than take responsibility and enjoy what life they have got they want to hide away and hope it won't happen and make everyone else miserable.

I'm going out maskless and enjoying myself. Life is short. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

What risk of being hit by a bus tomorrow would stop you from going outside? 17%? 41% What risk of your child being hit by a bus would make you stop them from going outside?

There are undoubtedly a lot of worried well people, but there are also an awful lot of vulnerable people who are having to make very difficult choices about what level of risk they take on in order to have a semblance of a normal life.

[quote Delatron]@AnAnxiousSeagull I’ve reread your link a few times and it states the whole way through ‘patients with cancer’ I can’t find a mention of ‘history of cancer’

I would quite like to know if having breast cancer 10 years ago means I have a 10% change of dying of Covid? But that article simply doesn’t mention history of cancer. If I’m missing that part please direct me to it. (Not being arsey just interested because of my history!).[/quote]
@Delatron Completely get it, I have the same history and the same interest!

It's in the study design section - "From Jan 13 to March 18, 2020, we enrolled 205 patients with a history of cancer, irrespective of when the cancer had been diagnosed. The inclusion criteria were strictly based on pathological diagnosis of a malignant tumour and laboratory confirmation of SARS-CoV-2 infection; patients clinically diagnosed with COVID-19 were excluded."

Later on it says that 20% of the patients they looked at were diagnosed in the last year, so 80% were more than a year past diagnosis.

I have had the flu four times in my life. The first time when I was about 7 years old and caught the Asian Flu and was extremely ill with it, off school for 2 months. The last time was about 15 years ago and it was very ill with it. My friend had Covid and I can honestly say it was 10 times worse than any of the times I had the flu.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/new-zealand-children-falling-ill-in-high-numbers-due-to-covid-immunity-debt

Thanks @SecondGentleman

Still unsure why I would be at higher risk or Covid after having cancer years ago as I guess they didn’t specify times? So you’d have to assume a cancer two years ago immune system may still be compromised) would be different to many years ago. But I guess from that study there’s no way of knowing.

My friend had Covid and I can honestly say it was 10 times worse than any of the times I had the flu.

Oh well, if your friend had worse covid than you had you then perhaps all those people who die from flu year in and year out are just being dramatic?

Honestly, I know comparisons between flu and covid was terribly abused at the beginning of the outbreak and seeing the words together in the sentence is typically a bit of a dog whistle for covid denying antics.

But in a conversation about how the cev manage risk in a society in which risky illnesses circulate each and every year then all I am saying is that most of us are very familiar with negotiating our own path between safety and freedom and personally, I don't appreciate being held up as a morality tale about the perils of opening to a free flowing virus as though this is something that doesn't happen every single winter.

[quote VaccineSticker]@chocolateorangeinhaler survival of the fittest you say?
I assume you have never visited a doctor, a dentist, a hospital, had any sort of medicine or wear glasses etc or had any sort of medical intervention because if you do you are one big hypocrite otherwise you’re some sort of a super human or a some God.[/quote]
Virus have and will to continue to mutate. They have done for millions of years. Locking society up will not change that. The human race needs to evolve to not be affected.

@chocolateorangeinhaler

It's survival of the fittest. That's how nature works, always has, always will. Hiding inside forever won't stop it.

I've always had a feeling that for a lot of people they go through life not realizing at some point we all die. This is the first time they have faced their mortality. Rather than take responsibility and enjoy what life they have got they want to hide away and hope it won't happen and make everyone else miserable.

I'm going out maskless and enjoying myself. Life is short. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Exactly this, completely agree.

Almost like people feel entitled to live - we will ALL die. None of us are immune to it.

The government is bored of it and can't be bothered protecting people anymore. They know the risks, they know the effect it's going to have on hospitals (further delaying of operations etc). Children are being purposefully exposed to the risk of long covid. This is the act of a government that has never had the health of the country as a priority.

And some of us know all too well how fragile the thread of life is... I don't want to loose my life or my dc from silly things that we can't get help for because the NHS is buggered...

I'm happy to open up but I cannot fathom why small mitigations like masks in shops, enclosed spaces can't be kept for a while.. While we surge again!

BeckyWithTheGoodHair5629456

Confused by this thread. If you're CEV, then you can still wear a mask, social distance, stay away from crowded places. No one is forcing anyone to stop doing those things.
The rest of us, who are comfortable with it, need to get back to some semblance of normality before we all lose our businesses, jobs, homes etc“

Agree. CEV husband and close loved ones. We will proceed with caution because that makes sense in our circumstances. Can’t expect others whose education/livelihoods are at risk but who are at very low risk of severe illness to live their lives for others for ever more.

Our youngest missed almost all face to face sixth form, as they shielded for their dad. We double backed now and delighted that their adult life can, finally, begin at university in October. We’ll proceed with great care in all other ways to allow that to happen.

We will all continue with mask wearing, sanitising etc. because it makes sense for us.

Double vaxxed, not backed.

Skylar,

The thing is, not everyone has the choice to be able to SD, wear masks, stay away from crowded places.

In my workplace - a school - CEV children and adults cannot social distance. Staff are not allowed to wear masks, and the whole school is a crowded place - over 30 children in a room, seated shoulder to shoulder; assemblies from September; corridors a seething mass of people; school buses packed in cheek by jowl.

AS primary aged child with cystic fibrosis, say, has absolutely no choice. They either stay at home and are home educated or they MUST be in a crowded place with no SD for 6+ hours a day. They have no freedom to make any other choices. They are not eligible for vaccination, at the moment, for a minimum of 4 years and possibly up to 10.....