Did you request the vaccinator to aspirate?

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I watched a Dr. John Campbell video where he goes into detail about how aspirating might reduce potential blood clots. So wondering if anyone requested this?

No

I thought they had figured out the cause of the blood clots now?

Aspiration before an IM injection is pretty standard anyway? I don’t think you would need to ask the practitioner specifically to do this

Its such a simple thing to do. I've no idea why they don't do this here.🤔

@Mrstowelll

Aspiration before an IM injection is pretty standard anyway? I don’t think you would need to ask the practitioner specifically to do this

They don't aspirate here.

Even as a precaution.

@BertieBotts yes I read somewhere that it is the spike protein breaking off when it should t be doing that…
Early in in the pandemic I watched a few of his videos as even when Boris was ignoring the issues he kept saying this is coming to bite us in the back if borders are not secured…then stopped watching as it all got too much for me and frankly too many experts…
Now I’m thinking of getting my vaccine started doing some reading and came across this…

@BertieBotts

I thought they had figured out the cause of the blood clots now?

Have they? News to me.

@Mrstowelll they don’t follow this practice in the UK

www.dw.com/en/covid-german-scientists-may-know-how-to-prevent-vaccine-blood-clots/a-57704214

I've seen his name a few times. Seems to have set himself up as the Voice Of Authority on all things covid. No idea if he is or not.

[quote BertieBotts]www.dw.com/en/covid-german-scientists-may-know-how-to-prevent-vaccine-blood-clots/a-57704214[/quote]
Any response from AZ/ UK regulators to this yet? I'd have expected some comment.

@powershowerforanhour

I've seen his name a few times. Seems to have set himself up as the Voice Of Authority on all things covid. No idea if he is or not.

I take what he says with a pinch of salt but I find it quite interesting to watch but do look at different things including indie sage.

@powershowerforanhour

I've seen his name a few times. Seems to have set himself up as the Voice Of Authority on all things covid. No idea if he is or not.

No, Dr John Campbell is anything but egotistical. He's simply been presenting the data as it arises, and leaves it to the listener to draw their own conclusions from the sources of data he uses. Very nice guy.

Mine did , but she was an older nurse who like me probably still routinely aspirates for IM injections, I have never aspirated blood though and it is quite a rare occurence for it to happen.

@frumpety do you mean the clots to happen?

Given that I have no idea what aspiration is, the answer is no.
Also, given that they're medical professionals and I'm not, I just proffer my arm with gratitude and trust they know what they're doing!

I haven't seen anyone do this & I certainly wasn't taught to (volunteer vaccinator). There's nothing in the NHS or SJA learning about it.

"medical professionals"

The guy doing my jab looked like a volunteer who had never had medical training, he couldn't have been more awkward with what he was doing. I was expecting the usual alcohol wipe on the skin but nope, just a very awkward wrestle to open the packaging - shuffling between how he was going to do it and unsure entry into arm.

I assumed most were volunteers??

Ours are being done by our doctor's surgeries, so the vaccinators are the nurses and doctors from the surgeries in our town. I didn't know volunteers could administer the vaccine! (There are other volunteers there who do the admin and directing and such like though)

Immunisations don’t appear to be routinely aspirated, this can be due to some patients experiencing more pain and discomfort than if just injected, also the needles and syringes used may not be designed for aspiration.

Disclaimer: I’m a student nurse currently doing my theory and practice on IM injections, weirdly b12 is recommended for aspiration before injection

So someone with no medical knowledge possibly with an hour’s training will be giving out vaccines? Great!

Will it work if I request to aspirate?

The type of clots for AZ are linked to an auto immune condition (ie similar to heparin) the drugs used to treat it are the same (as far as my extensive/obsessive reading of anything I can find) they are not the same or in the same areas of the body as thrombosis normally occurs & they are linked to decreased platelets which do not (apparently) occur in normal thrombosis - so this wouldn't work - because it won't affect the autoimmune condition
People like to get their half hour of fame & people assume qualifications mean expertise in all areas of the medical field & even than there are still outliers (crackpots)
We once had a gp would wouldn't give my dc (aged 3 with severe asthma) antibiotics when he had a chest infection - he got worse next day I returned & the other gp blue his top & rang previous dr - he got the antibiotics (thank goodness)

isn't the mechanism how clots happen after AZ to do with immune response inside some cells that takes days to develop, nothing to do with how the jab went into body.

(I should say this gp had a history of not believing in antibiotics & shortly after with another similar incident occurring to another patient he left the practice)