Schools not having to isolate when in contact of virus

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There is hope this will stop after September.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/28/ministers-set-to-end-automatic-isolation-for-pupils-in-england

@QwertyGirly: "I'd prefer to have 60 kids self isolating and well, rather than 100+ kids sick at home transmitting the virus to other people in the community."

We have vaccines now, and so transmitting the virus is just meh.

I guess we all have right to our own preference. But each of those 60+ kids has a supporting adult that are impacted. One of those kids might be mine, and my opinion is not to isolate for them or me!

It's highly unlikely all of those 100+ kids will get sick enough to stay home —most of them will not even know they have it.

Really, we are seeing these numbers because we are looking. Stop looking, and it will literally go away.

LOL 'stop looking and the numbers will go away'. Enjoy putting your head in the sand much? I prefer awareness and knowledge, thank you.

Noone should be isolating now

100% of those in the top 99% ho needed hospital treatment and were at risk of death have had time for both vaccines

The other 1% have likely had one vaccine

Who are we protecting? The gov is right to follow its plans because if we cant loosen and open up fully now we never will.

One school in my town has 23/30 kids positive and not a single one was symptomatic. Letting it spread through the kids seems fine to me - cev kids should be offered vaccine or home schooling initially

Most adults who are double vaccinated will not be ill so staffing shouldn't be an issue

[quote Chillychangchoo]@MrsArchchancellorRidcully

My year five and six have been off since last Wednesday, we have received ZERO work. ZERO. I mean we do usually get a few token worksheets but nothing this time. Their teachers are absolutely not fucking working as hard this week. I emailed them yesterday morning for work and I’m still waiting.

Embarrassing.[/quote]
@Chillychangchoo That’s a separate issue to abandoning self isolation. Just because your DC’s school provides poor remote learning doesn’t mean all do. Currently I have a whole Yr 9 class isolating and a few pupils in my Yr 10. It’s easier to teach a whole class live but still the odd children isolating join live. We have webcams and microphones in each classroom.

qwerty - so what if you have 100s of cases? the vulnerable are vaccinated. We have protected nhs. This was never about zero covid. We could have an entire town full of covid and as long as its manageable it'd be fine

I would rather have my child isolating if there are cases in their classes but our close family members are highly vulnerable and people are still dying after double vaccinations...just far fewer. For me it is about communication and choice. I agree with close contacts isolating but bubbles of 100+ were daft in the first place.

@motherrunner

But poor remote provision combined with repeated isolations for my children is a disaster for their education.

I’m waiting to see how the land lies for September and I shall move them to a school that at least provides some remote provision. I’m not asking for the world here.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

disgusting to view children as disease spreaders! How disgraceful that children have to continue sacrificing their childhood to save fully vaxxed adults.

So true! Sick of children being spoken of with such distain, if you have such a bad view of children and think they're all out to kill you with their super germs then don't fucking be there! Quit and find yourself the perfect covid secure job that it seems every other profession has but you good luck with that and before anyone pipes up with "but who will teach little jonny if people quit? " anyone who treats children with the vitriol that's spouted on some of these threads shouldn't be in the profession in the first place

I agree with pp on language -m

You could use phrases like this for any age group but some prefer it for children for some reason. Also no notion that this isn’t for them but adults.

"Most adults who are double vaccinated will not be ill so staffing shouldn't be an issue"

They may not be seriously ill but can be I'll enough to be off work. Andrew Marr said he was and staff at my school are unwell after two jabs.

Not sure we have got to the stage we expect staff to be working in schools( or anywhere else) when actually infected either.

The dismissal of the health of school staff is actually horrific to read.

@yeahdarling

The health of school staff is not at risk now though is it? What with the vaccination programme proving to be very successful.

School staff have not been the only members of our society to work in unsafe conditions throughout this pandemic. They have however been the noisiest, and the most precious.

School staff need to get on with things now.

Whether school staff are at risk or not, it's not for people who don't work in schools to dismiss.

I wouldn't tell nurses or retail staff to get a grip as I have no idea of their working conditions and would respect their experience.

@yeahdarling

The dismissal of the health of school staff is actually horrific to read.

Horrific but not surprising, particularly on here.

@yeahdarling

You wouldn’t need to tell nurses or retail staff to get a grip because they’re generally not the ones moaning 🤨. They’re just busy getting on with their jobs.

School staff are getting on with their jobs as well.

Sharing valid concerns about the safety of themselves, their families, the children and their families is not moaning.

@yeahdarling

I’ve read many, many different threads on this forum throughout the whole pandemic and I absolutely disagree with you.

Never before have I encountered such negativity, resistance and sheer moaning from any other profession throughout this whole pandemic than teachers. I mean they are literally never happy are they? Here we are with an effective vaccine for adults and they are still bleating on.

It’s really quite embarrassing.

[quote Chillychangchoo]@yeahdarling

I’ve read many, many different threads on this forum throughout the whole pandemic and I absolutely disagree with you.

Never before have I encountered such negativity, resistance and sheer moaning from any other profession throughout this whole pandemic than teachers. I mean they are literally never happy are they? Here we are with an effective vaccine for adults and they are still bleating on.

It’s really quite embarrassing.[/quote]
I completely disagree with you.

Teachers are asking for support, for funding, for mitigation to stop school closures as we know it's the worst situation for everyone. I live in fear of isolation for my class and my own children and can't wait for the situation to end in many ways. I hate what isolation does to the mental and physical health of staff and children. I have experienced it many many times.

I find it confusing that people forget that the best way to keep schools open and children in school is to support school staff with ways of keeping them open. No teacher I know wants the schools to close, they are fighting to stay open.

@Chillychangchoo

I also find your passive aggressive use of language such as 'bleating' very offensive. They are clearly chosen to upset teachers and that doesn't sit right with me. By resorting to derogatory terms in that manner it shows you to be a bully. Try making better word choices.

@yeahdarling

The word bleating is not at all passive aggressive. It’s just another word in the English language. I am not one of your pupils so you do not need to tell me to “make better word choices” 🤣. Hilarious, sorry miss!!

Well you will not need to “live in fear” of isolating come September will you if they’re going to scrap it? Surely this is good news for you all? Or is it not? I mean which one is it?

[quote Chillychangchoo]@yeahdarling

The word bleating is not at all passive aggressive. It’s just another word in the English language. I am not one of your pupils so you do not need to tell me to “make better word choices” 🤣. Hilarious, sorry miss!!

Well you will not need to “live in fear” of isolating come September will you if they’re going to scrap it? Surely this is good news for you all? Or is it not? I mean which one is it?[/quote]
I will respectfully disagree. I do not wish to stoop to your level.

My pupils are infinitely more mature than you.

@yeahdarling

Ahh that old chestnut “don’t want to stoop to your level”, code for, “I haven’t got an answer, so I’ll bow out now and decide to make myself sound like the more mature one”.

👋

@Watapalava

Noone should be isolating now

100% of those in the top 99% ho needed hospital treatment and were at risk of death have had time for both vaccines

The other 1% have likely had one vaccine

Who are we protecting? The gov is right to follow its plans because if we cant loosen and open up fully now we never will.

One school in my town has 23/30 kids positive and not a single one was symptomatic. Letting it spread through the kids seems fine to me - cev kids should be offered vaccine or home schooling initially

Most adults who are double vaccinated will not be ill so staffing shouldn't be an issue

CeV children should be offered homeschooling....I'm sorry but if homeschooling isn't good enough for the healthy kids for 10 days at a time then how is it suitable full time for CEV children. My child is as entitled to an education in school as any other child not just banished away at home because of their vulnerabilities. It is not OK for that to be the only option on the table for all those children and their families.

@Watapalava

qwerty - so what if you have 100s of cases? the vulnerable are vaccinated. We have protected nhs. This was never about zero covid. We could have an entire town full of covid and as long as its manageable it'd be fine

This. If everyone has it but asymptomatic or mild what's the big deal.

Most adults who are double vaccinated will not be ill so staffing shouldn't be an issue

By September, most staff should be double vaccinated (a few at the very youngest end may not have had any weeks after their final vaccination).

It isn't the case yet. The youngest double-vaccinated + 2 weeks member of staff in school is 48 or so, given our local rollout, and that means that only 4 of the 14+ class teachers have had a second vaccine yet (3 for age, 1 for vulnerability).

I haven't seen the latest figures for the deaths of those who died within 28 days of a positive test for the delta variant? 36% of all who died were double vaccinated. those were, at that point, all over 50, but since not all that many under-50s are double vaccinated + 2 weeks, it's not yet clear from the data whether the protection is better, or simply that there are very few people in that category yet.

Again, by September we shall know more. Also, with luck, many children will catch Covid during the holiday and thus have some immunity on their return, as vaccination of children doesn't seem to be on the cards.