Schools not having to isolate when in contact of virus

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There is hope this will stop after September.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/28/ministers-set-to-end-automatic-isolation-for-pupils-in-england

@siestalady

When did I say I didn't worry about the effect on children? I have children of my own. I massively worry about the effect on them and my class and their mental and physical health.

[quote mumsneedwine]@siestalady can I ask what you do for a living and what risk you take every day ? Because if it's not your life at risk then it's v easy to make those statements.[/quote]
Any adult who isn't double vaxxed yet is not putting their life at risk, as they are not vulnerable so incredibly unlikely to die of Covid. I work in a factory so not a risk free job and I've only had one vaccinated due to my age. Bored of hearing younger people moaning to be honest, these lockdowns were never to protect us in the first place.

@Chillychangchoo well done. However as you work in social care I assume you had 2 vaccines early on ? We didn't. Once staff are fully vaccinated then crack on and forget bubbles and isolating. But not until then.
Yes pooor us. Dying and getting sick, how dare we complain. I assume you realise that there is a massive shortage of teachers for Sept and your child is v likely to have a lot of supply staff ? Because we were told to suck it up or leave, so lots left. Assume that was what everyone wanted ?

I agree with posters fighting for better mitigation in school to stop isolation for everyone. It's truly crap.

[quote pinkpip100]@siestalady I suggested a solution - investment in better ventilation, smaller class sizes, more outdoor learning, masks etc. Measures in schools to reduce transmission BEFORE getting rid of close contact isolation and letting Covid spread unchecked through all children. [/quote]
Surely if you're a teacher you know how unrealistic all of these things are? Smaller class sizes?! Oh right yes let's magic up 4x the no of school buildings and teaching staff - easy peasy

@siestalady I'm not a teacher, why do you say that?

@pinkpip100

I’m not sure those measures would actually work in the real world.

Smaller class sizes…..it would still spread.
More outdoor learning…… Nar not going to be feasible in British winter time.
Masks…. Well they’ve not worked incredibly well so far in schools have they?
Better ventilation…. Could help but not massively so.

Nothing at all constructive in your list. Nothing at all that would actually solidly work because it is going to spread even with the best measures in the world.

Time to have your vaccine and get on with it. If you’re truly unhappy still, time to find another job. Adjust your life around the current circumstances. Children’s lives should not be disrupted for a moment longer.

But if the government had invested in schools at the start some of this would have been possible. Better ventilation at the very least.

[quote mumsneedwine]@Chillychangchoo well done. However as you work in social care I assume you had 2 vaccines early on ? We didn't. Once staff are fully vaccinated then crack on and forget bubbles and isolating. But not until then.
Yes pooor us. Dying and getting sick, how dare we complain. I assume you realise that there is a massive shortage of teachers for Sept and your child is v likely to have a lot of supply staff ? Because we were told to suck it up or leave, so lots left. Assume that was what everyone wanted ?[/quote]
The vast vast majority of staff will be fully vaccinated by September, so presumably at that point you're happy for bubbles to be ditched + no isolating?

@siestalady yes. As I've said 5 times now 🤷‍♀️

@Chillychangchoo I have no idea why you are bringing my job into this. I am not a teacher, I work in early years. I have been fully vaccinated. I am the parent to 4 children, one of whom is CEV.

@siestalady and @Chillychangchoo - I really don't understand why both of you have assumed I'm a teacher. I am the parent of a CEV child who just wants others to appreciate what a massive worry this is.

@pinkpip100

But if the government had invested in schools at the start some of this would have been possible. Better ventilation at the very least.

Actually I agree with you.

But there's a long list of things that need investment, and COVID isn't special, nor particularly dangerous in my view.

Cancer, dementia, to name but a few health-related matters. Additional funding to catch up children on the time they've lost over the year. Funding towards the dreadfully poor state of old age care, or mental heath care.

[quote pinkpip100]**@siestalady* and @Chillychangchoo* - I really don't understand why both of you have assumed I'm a teacher. I am the parent of a CEV child who just wants others to appreciate what a massive worry this is.[/quote]
My heart honestly goes out to you, and I don't really know how to phrase this without sounding brutal - but - what are your expectations? What do you want to see happen that is - realistically - actually going to happen? I mean we can all hope for halving of class sizes and doubling of classroom space, but it's not realistic is it?

[quote mumsneedwine]@UpSlyDown and if in HE can I thank you for teaching f2f as I've not heard of any of that going on with my DDs and their friends. All on line 😞[/quote]
@mumsneedwine this is another huge issue that needs addressing. I didn’t have much choice as teach the practical elements of a vocational type degree (OT) so it was mandatory but the same rules should apply to HEA with students returning to f2f with vaccination of staff. The mental health of students had been horrendous and the debt some of these students will come out in with after almost 2 years disrupted study is so unfair.

so know we are having to isolate bubbles to protect unvaccinated staff

Do People actually genuinely believe this? Even If teachers had been vaccinated early on with NHS/care home staff we'd still be going through this rigmarole.... the government don't give a fuck about teachers pupils or parents, but having these pointless disruptive and damaging measures in place are nothing more than a be seen to be doing something act that has minimal bearing on the situation . When in fact they could have invested money into long term prevention measures such as actual better ventilation, bigger classrooms, extra teachers etc etc , instead they chose the lock up the children method repeatedly and let the blame game commence between parents and teachers, whilst the powers that be do whatever and whoever they want

@siestalady I would like the government to commit to reducing transmission in schools - ideally starting with improved ventilation, masks in corridors at the very least. I would like them to acknowledge the issue of CEV/CV children - and the very real concerns of their families - as at the moment it very much feels as though they are being thrown under a bus. I would also like others lucky enough to have absolutely no concerns about their children catching covid to accept that not everyone is able to be as carefree about it.

[quote mumsneedwine]@siestalady yes. As I've said 5 times now 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
Great then why are we arguing?! 😅

@siestalady because you want go to do it all now. Not in Sept 🤷‍♀️

Excellent news. Time for life to get back to normal. Especially for children and young people.

@pinkpip100 I'm so with you on this. We have diabetic students who are like sitting ducks at the moment. And severe asthmatic students. I'm so worried for them but they deserve an education too. Be nice if it was a safer one.

[quote mumsneedwine]@siestalady because you want go to do it all now. Not in Sept 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I actually don't- its so close to the end of term now it's a)not going to happen and b) seems like we may as well wait until we get everyone double vaxxed or thereabouts.

I won't lie that I find isolations frustrating but I can see the rationale behind starting a new policy from September.

My son is a severe asthmatic. He’s been hospitalised for respiratory infections. I’m not sure how school could ever be made safer for him? There is nothing that can be done to separate children and teenagers remaining in close contact with each other. It’s what they do. It’s never going to change. (Thank god).

Talk of all these “measures” is just that. Talk. Never enforceable or realistic in the real world. Honestly some posters are living in cloud cuckoo land they really are.

@Chillychangchoo

My son is a severe asthmatic. He’s been hospitalised for respiratory infections. I’m not sure how school could ever be made safer for him? There is nothing that can be done to separate children and teenagers remaining in close contact with each other. It’s what they do. It’s never going to change. (Thank god).

Talk of all these “measures” is just that. Talk. Never enforceable or realistic in the real world. Honestly some posters are living in cloud cuckoo land they really are.

There have been plenty of suggestions on this thread (and many others since last Autumn) - proper ventilation in schools for one. And if your child is CEV I would have expected you to care about reducing transmission in schools - frankly I'm shocked that you don't.

@Chillychangchoo

My son is a severe asthmatic. He’s been hospitalised for respiratory infections. I’m not sure how school could ever be made safer for him? There is nothing that can be done to separate children and teenagers remaining in close contact with each other. It’s what they do. It’s never going to change. (Thank god).

Talk of all these “measures” is just that. Talk. Never enforceable or realistic in the real world. Honestly some posters are living in cloud cuckoo land they really are.

In the nicest way possible If I was the parent of a severely asthmatic child I probably wouldn’t have such a laid back attitude around mitigation in schools especially considering how high the cases are right now. You may not be sure about what can be done so why not do some research and figure out if he is indeed at risk and if so what can be done to lower the risk.