Is this breaking the law

[Donatella]

Not the guidance, but the law. Everyone involved is happy to proceed as follow but I don't want to do anything illegal.

Child has been told to stay home from school and self isolate following a positive case (case was in the class and also in an out of school activity the child takes part in). Child had PCR test as a close contact, which was negative. Parents are both key workers, working outside of the home. Child is too young to be left at home alone all day but old enough not to need hands on care. Grandparents (fully vaccinated and healthy) have been a childcare bubble since such a thing existed and are happy for the child to go to them while off school so parents can go to work. Parents have suggested child doing a lateral flow each day to minimise risk to grandparents, grandparents have said this is unnecessary but child and parents will feel happier that way and so do it anyway. However, this does still involve the child leaving the house each day as grandparents don't want to have to spend all day in someone else's house, so is that technically breaking the law on self isolation? Is there a loophole that because the notification came from the school rather than track and trace that it isn't actually illegal?

Yes it’s illegal, school isolations are treated the same as track and trace. The child can’t leave the house.

I believe the grandparents could come to you though.

The child is not supposed to leave the house otherwise there'd be parents still sending them to child minders etc.

Who actually honestly gives a fuck anymore? Wake up!

O e of my children is isolating in similar circumstances. We had an email from school specifically telling us that the child should not leave the house to go to grandparents or other relatives houses.

If someone is isolating, it was my understanding that you couldn’t have visitors to the house either? So either way it’s not strictly allowed.

I know someone in the same situation who’s dc has had to go to grandparents because they have to work .
It’s all well and good sending these children home to isolate but who can look after them .

I think this is where critical thinking comes in, the gp are part of the family unit. The gp are fully vaccinated. The children are going into a family car to said gp home. That to me is the same contact concerns as playing in their back yard is to neighbors.

In scotland a parent or carer who lives with the child has to isolate if a child is asked to. This is to reduce the child passing it on to others if they did get it.
We are not allowed visitors to our house if someone is isolating even if they are our support bubble.

Do what you have to do OP, this all beyond ridiculous now.

It’s fine just do it. Unless the government want to compensate on the impact it has to your job then why not, good morale well being doesn’t pay the bills or put food on the table

We’ve followed the rules all along but after the latest school closure, with a case not even in any of my children’s classes, and mass panic resulting in half the school being closed, I’m done. We’ve all been doubly vaccinated. There was much more risk to all my DC at other events etc we’ve attended recently than there was in school. But hey ho - the LA/PHE say we must isolate. Didn’t apply to Hancock/Wanksock, did it? People have their limits and I’ve reached mine.

Look, after the Matt Hancock news, why are any of us tying ourselves in knots over any of this? Just get on with your life and do what you need to do to keep your family ticking over. It’s patently obvious that - given Hancock’s behaviour and Johnson’s response - the law, the guidelines, the rules are all a crock of shit anyway.

I think we are going to go for ir, with DD isolating from the grandparents as far as possible (no hugging or other close contact etc). If it was a real issue the school shouldn't have let them collect her when they were all sent home!

Not illegal. You e been allowed to move between bubbles the same as between separated parents regardless of covid or isolation status. You treat it as one household . Dd went to my parents when isolating so I could work. My mum checked it was ok. But as a op has said I'd struggle to care about such a minor rule break at this stage even if it wasn't ok

Yep, do it. I've followed every rule and been made a mug of. Your approach is sensible.

Look, after the Matt Hancock news, why are any of us tying ourselves in knots over any of this? Just get on with your life and do what you need to do to keep your family ticking over.

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The child is not supposed to leave the house otherwise there'd be parents still sending them to child minders etc.

It's not the same. The childminder won't be the childcare or support bubble

Ask Matt Hancock or his aide, Gina Coladangelo

The grandparents shouid go to yours, as the child must not leave the house.

But being cared for by those your bubble is ok, as they count as household

@cocoloco987

Not illegal. You e been allowed to move between bubbles the same as between separated parents regardless of covid or isolation status. You treat it as one household . Dd went to my parents when isolating so I could work. My mum checked it was ok. But as a op has said I'd struggle to care about such a minor rule break at this stage even if it wasn't ok

See, what I couldn't work out is whether that applied to childcare bubbles as well as support bubbles. The guidance doesn't say anything about children isolating specifically. Still, I very much doubt the police will come knocking down the door, I just don't like breaking rules.

We totally did this earlier this year, grandparent is in our support bubble, vaccinated, no health issues and was happy to have child and we drove her round each day, not allowing contact with anyone else. We knew we were extending the isolation to grandparent if child tested positive but we had spent lots of time together in the couple of days before so would have been close contact anyway. I guess you just need to weigh up your own risks and what works for each family while still maintaining the isolation as far as possible.

The child is going to see the grandparents regardless of where the child is (home or GP) house so the risk is still the same. Surely the bigger risk is the key worker parents still going to work.

It’s all got so confusing now just do whatever you and the gps are happy to do.

I had to self isolate in hospital because they had a covid positive patient on the ward I was in, so I had to go into a sideroom on my own, was not allowed any visitors, could not go outside for a ciggarrette so no your son is not allowed out, it seriously was horrible but it was to keep other people safe and I had to have tests almost everyday and had to stay in hospital longer because of it.

Not that anyone follow any Covid risk mitigation rules and obligations seriously and not just because rule makers are hypocrites.

However for the majority of us who are still conscientious and trying pragmatically to be a part of the solution and not forever the likely cause of continuing spreading - yes in this scenario it would be a breach of isolating requirements. The support bubble exception may be a possible get out of jail card but this would depend on the individual circumstances and whether this would be possible without mixing with other people. The whole point of isolation is being away from others outside of your daily household bubble.

Is send them to the grandparents. The whole schools isolation situation is ridiculous