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Is this breaking the law

72 replies

Donatella · 26/06/2021 15:17

Not the guidance, but the law. Everyone involved is happy to proceed as follow but I don't want to do anything illegal.

Child has been told to stay home from school and self isolate following a positive case (case was in the class and also in an out of school activity the child takes part in). Child had PCR test as a close contact, which was negative. Parents are both key workers, working outside of the home. Child is too young to be left at home alone all day but old enough not to need hands on care. Grandparents (fully vaccinated and healthy) have been a childcare bubble since such a thing existed and are happy for the child to go to them while off school so parents can go to work. Parents have suggested child doing a lateral flow each day to minimise risk to grandparents, grandparents have said this is unnecessary but child and parents will feel happier that way and so do it anyway. However, this does still involve the child leaving the house each day as grandparents don't want to have to spend all day in someone else's house, so is that technically breaking the law on self isolation? Is there a loophole that because the notification came from the school rather than track and trace that it isn't actually illegal?

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oneglassandpuzzled · 26/06/2021 16:37

I can’t see that going to the GPs in a car makes any difference at all.

I’d just quietly do it.

amylou8 · 26/06/2021 16:40

I have no idea about the legality, I gave up on that a long time ago. But I do understand recent guidance from Boris is that if you break the law it's fine as long as you apologise. The matter will then be considered closed.

cocoloco987 · 26/06/2021 16:41

I suppose the difference now is that the childcare bubbles will now be mixing with others where previously they weren't, however I don't see a difference between the grandparents out mixing and the parents which is allowed. Thinking about it Im not sure these bubbles are actually relevant now that we are allowed to mix so things might be different as a result, but this has never been made clear. I don't suppose the people who make or enforce them rules know either. As long as the dc is moving between homes in a car and not going out to the park etc then go for it.

Donatella · 26/06/2021 16:42

Two other children in the class live in my parents' road and often play out in the street. It will be interesting to see if they are out there next week!

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Topseyt · 26/06/2021 16:45

Just do it. Nobody is checking and nobody gives a shit. The whole pantomime is beyond ridiculous now.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 26/06/2021 16:55

Yes nobody gives a flying hanjob anymore! However watch the data trending in the wrong direction!

Snog · 26/06/2021 17:01

The rules only apply to some. If you have an important job or are wealthy then definitely just do whatever you want.

cupsofcoffee · 26/06/2021 17:08

I really can't see the problem, tbh.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 26/06/2021 17:11

They are meant to not leave their home or garden and isolate as much as possible. It’s not different rules or advice as it’s come from school rather than track and trace.

knittingaddict · 26/06/2021 17:21

We've been following the rules since this started.

We are in a child care and support bubble with my single parent daughter. The youngest grandchild had a case in their y1 class and has to isolate till Monday. We have been double vaccinated and have looked after him at our house so that my daughter could go to work this week - only for a few hours on 2 days. It honestly never occurred to us that it was illegal. Don't know what else we could have done though.

knittingaddict · 26/06/2021 17:23

I should add that he has literally gone between the two houses and not set foot outside to go anywhere else.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 26/06/2021 17:32

If the grandparents have been double dosed and are happy with the arrangements, then do it. Call them your "aides" and you can get away with anything it seems.

Blue4YOU · 26/06/2021 17:35

I just have to say ask Matt Hancock

Thehenbunringsock · 26/06/2021 17:44

I've followed all guidance to the letter since the very beginning, even through the Barnard Castle debacle. Now, I'm firmly of the view that if the fucking Health Secretary can snog some woman with the Prime Minister's approval then why should the rest of us work ourselves up into a moral frenzy about our own circumstances? It's time we started trusting our own common sense again.

Watapalava · 26/06/2021 17:44

Hi early I don’t know a single covid contact from school who is isolating from anywhere other than school

Both my dds sent home as contact and aren’t isolating and neither are any of their year groups

They may not be going to school but they’re all put and about

The day of kids being sat at home for weeks on end have long gone

Mine test everyday and then go out

everybodysang · 26/06/2021 17:46

@AledsiPad

Who actually honestly gives a fuck anymore? Wake up!
Loads of people do.

Why don't you wake up?

BusyLizzie61 · 26/06/2021 17:49

@Retrievemysanity

If someone is isolating, it was my understanding that you couldn’t have visitors to the house either? So either way it’s not strictly allowed.
I am not sure that this applies if they were part of your bubble though. Assuming these are still a thing at this point of the "unlocking".
BirthdayCakeBelly · 26/06/2021 17:58

You’re not even supposed to leave the house to do the PCR test as a contact. The guidance specifies this and states a home test should be performed.

All it takes is for one of those parents on the street to see your child going into their house and tell the school.

The duty to isolate is a legal requirement and became so in September 2020 in England.

Imnothereforthedrama · 26/06/2021 18:13

@BirthdayCakeBelly

You’re not even supposed to leave the house to do the PCR test as a contact. The guidance specifies this and states a home test should be performed.

All it takes is for one of those parents on the street to see your child going into their house and tell the school.

The duty to isolate is a legal requirement and became so in September 2020 in England.

Of course you can leave the house for a pcr test it’s about the only reason you can leave the house. And so what if they tell the school what are they going to do about it ?
BirthdayCakeBelly · 26/06/2021 18:16

@Imnothereforthedrama

“PCR tests while you are self-isolating as a contact
To reduce the risk to others you should only use a test site if you are unable to use the home PCR testing service”

From gov.uk

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 26/06/2021 18:20

We were informed that my child had to isolate while she was staying at her grandparents. She's already done three days of the isolation period, all not at her own home, and with people who are more vulnerable (although all adults concerned are double vaccinated). I have collected her today, but towards the end of her isolation period, she's going back.

I've already broken the 'rules' by collecting her, but there wasn't an option.

Imnothereforthedrama · 26/06/2021 18:22

[quote BirthdayCakeBelly]@Imnothereforthedrama

“PCR tests while you are self-isolating as a contact
To reduce the risk to others you should only use a test site if you are unable to use the home PCR testing service”

From gov.uk[/quote]
I’m very familiar with the gov website who’s whole house has had Covid I could recite it I know it that well and you can go to the test centre for a test if you are driving there .
What you have quoted does not say you can’t leave the house for a test .
Why would they have test centres if your not allowed to leave the house ?

AddisonMontgomeryShepherd · 26/06/2021 18:23

@Skyechasemarshalontheway

In scotland a parent or carer who lives with the child has to isolate if a child is asked to. This is to reduce the child passing it on to others if they did get it. We are not allowed visitors to our house if someone is isolating even if they are our support bubble.
Sorry but that isn't true. I live in Scotland and dd is isolating and we have never been told one of us need to isolate with her.

I wouldn't do it op, worst case if you have no choice they should come to your house but I wouldn't even risk that. I know what people are saying about vaccines etc but the reality is people who have been vaccinated can still become unwell and I wouldn't want the guilt of that on my conscience if it were my parents.

I know it's hard though you do have my sympathies, like I said we have dd isolating this week and it is difficult.

cocoloco987 · 26/06/2021 18:27

Sorry but that isn't true. I live in Scotland and dd is isolating and we have never been told one of us need to isolate with her.

Yes, same. I've had to isolate and so has dd2 (twice). I've been able to go out and she's gone to grandparents at times (single parent so support bubble) you treat your bubble as the same household

AfternoonToffee · 26/06/2021 18:33

My autistic ds is on his second SI period in a fortnight, like hell am I keeping him in again this time, it was absolutely horrendous last time and I am not doing it again. He will go for walks in the area / drives out in the car as necessary.

Luckily I am still WFH and DH is home anyway, but I would have had to have 12 days off in three weeks to cover the two periods.

Just do it OP, if you have no other option then you have to do it.