Conflicting update re holidays

ColettesEarrings · 21/06/2021 22:06

Hancock was talking about contact isolation nor travel quarantine. They're two completely separate things.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 21/06/2021 23:30

Makes no sense. France (lower cases than us), let's us in double vaxxed, BoJo won't let us back in without isolation. Willing to bet all MPs travel abroad this summer.

1dayatatime · 21/06/2021 23:39

@waterlane

"Why the conflicting advice and news all the time?? I just don't get it."

Quite simply because behind the scenes it is complete chaos in Government with Boris going around shouting off random things and when he is challenged covers his back with some jingoistic statement about this great nation/ brave plucky island / together we will beat this enemy/ blah blah , waves Union Jack then walks off quickly.

I don't particularly like Cummings but you only have believe a fraction of what he has been saying to realise we are totally screwed.

Boris thinks he is the next Churchill but the reality is that he is an out of his depth and out of control twat.

yepitsmey · 21/06/2021 23:54

Quite simply, adults who are double jabbed by July, will more likely book staycations and 54yo Brenda wouldn't be faffed with the hassle of changing, when she can spend a week at a caravan park with the grandkids. Therefore, money put into our own economy.

Teens and adults in their 20s won't have had both vaccines in time for August, so if they had to quarantine, would be highly unlikely to book a boozy piss up weekend in Ibiza or Magaluf.

This gives the illusion that holidays are available to take but the reality is, the Government want us spending money in the UK, not abroad.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 00:07

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

Makes no sense. France (lower cases than us), let's us in double vaxxed, BoJo won't let us back in without isolation. Willing to bet all MPs travel abroad this summer.

I read today that Gove went to Portugal and got an alert from T&T but apparently didn't have to isolate as he is part of a trial scheme...

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BarbaraofSeville · 22/06/2021 04:58

This gives the illusion that holidays are available to take but the reality is, the Government want us spending money in the UK, not abroad

But restricting foreign travel isn't likely to lead to more money being spent in the UK.

This summer, pretty much everything in the UK is booked up and/or silly money. There just isn't any more capacity.

If the only option is a massively overpriced UK holiday, with expensive restaurants that need to be booked in advance, expensive parking and expensive entrance to attractions that again have to be pre-booked so you're stuck with your plans or else you lose money and there's no freedom to see what the unpredictable UK weather is going to do, then I'd rather stay at home and wait until next year. I suspect a lot of people feel the same.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 07:12

@BarbaraofSeville

This gives the illusion that holidays are available to take but the reality is, the Government want us spending money in the UK, not abroad

But restricting foreign travel isn't likely to lead to more money being spent in the UK.

This summer, pretty much everything in the UK is booked up and/or silly money. There just isn't any more capacity.

If the only option is a massively overpriced UK holiday, with expensive restaurants that need to be booked in advance, expensive parking and expensive entrance to attractions that again have to be pre-booked so you're stuck with your plans or else you lose money and there's no freedom to see what the unpredictable UK weather is going to do, then I'd rather stay at home and wait until next year. I suspect a lot of people feel the same.

Totally agree with this. We've had one UK break but won't be booking anymore and couldn't even if we wanted to the way everything's booked up! I think a lot of people with young families have tried to get away somewhere in this country but most older people I know haven't bothered so it's not like for like that if you stop travel people will take those holidays here. As well as having to book everything first which makes it difficult, everywhere is short staffed so at some hotels and holiday resorts this is leading to even more restrictions such as no breakfast facilities. Also, we've had several events cancelled such as weddings and christenings because of numbers and we'd normally book hotel rooms so that's money we won't be spending either!

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fucketyfuckwit · 22/06/2021 08:14

Surely France has got to go Green before August! 🤞

zafferana · 22/06/2021 08:17

It suits them to keep the news around travel vague and contradictory, in the hope that people will be dissuaded from booking and that in the vacuum of information they'll either decide not to go anywhere or they'll book something in the UK (if they can find something at a price they can afford, which is unlikely!)

The rules say we can go abroad, the ban on overseas travel was lifted on 17th May, but the govt don't WANT us to go, so they're making it as difficult, confusing and uncertain as possible, because they know a majority will be put off.

userchange8945 · 22/06/2021 08:24

I think they're being deliberately vague with nuggets of "double vaxxers will go" to continue to encourage vaccination rates too.

rookiemere · 22/06/2021 08:32

Yes @waterlane Gove should have self isolated after a trip to Portugal but instead is part of a convenient trial of daily tests as an alternative. I think second home owners have some exemptions as well - so Stanley Johnson can continue to visit Greece. Royals and rich people can go for business trips and sports people can do whatever they fancy.

Therefore it's really only a travel ban for us unconnected plebs.

The messaging is confused I think because they don't want to do a blanket ban as then airlines and travel agents would have to fork out even more.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 09:08

@zafferana

It suits them to keep the news around travel vague and contradictory, in the hope that people will be dissuaded from booking and that in the vacuum of information they'll either decide not to go anywhere or they'll book something in the UK (if they can find something at a price they can afford, which is unlikely!)

The rules say we can go abroad, the ban on overseas travel was lifted on 17th May, but the govt don't WANT us to go, so they're making it as difficult, confusing and uncertain as possible, because they know a majority will be put off.

Totally agree with this. I was surprised at the amount of people I knew who travelled to Portugal and they all said it was fine once you got your head around the tests and making sure you did them on the right day etc. The general consensus was that the media/government are making it sound a lot worse then what it is. It's working as I'm still scared to go away unless they do change the rules.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 09:09

@userchange8945

I think they're being deliberately vague with nuggets of "double vaxxers will go" to continue to encourage vaccination rates too.

I also agree with this and it's working as I've tried to get my second jab sooner as have a lot of people I know!

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Lucidas · 22/06/2021 09:10

It won’t be in place until all adults have been offered two jabs.

Horehound · 22/06/2021 09:10

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

Makes no sense. France (lower cases than us), let's us in double vaxxed, BoJo won't let us back in without isolation. Willing to bet all MPs travel abroad this summer.

Good luck getting to France. I think covid has masked a lot of the shit Brexit is going to make difficult for us. Us being a 3rd world country we have to jump through a fuck load of hoops to go to France. Yayyyy

Wellbythebloodyhell · 22/06/2021 09:15

It's just another carrot to get people to take the vaccine, and also those that have had 1 dose but for 1 reason or another are reluctant to have the 2nd dose to come forward for it

Lalliebelle · 22/06/2021 09:15

One sure-fire way to encourage people to get vaccinated would be to allow unrestricted travel once vaccinated! Quite surprised they haven't done it yet but then again, most of the strategy seems to be terrifying people into complying and allowing a lovely holiday is not in line with that!

pennylane83 · 22/06/2021 09:21

It would be ridiculous for all double vaxxed to be allowed to travel abroad unrestricted when children aren't being vaccinated. The majority would end up isolating anyway because of their kids, or, if they are saying travel with kids dosent require isolation if the adults has have been double jabbed then it makes a mockery of the bubble system and isolation requirements in schools.

Caselgarcia · 22/06/2021 09:28

There's not enough capacity in PCR testing either here or abroad if they allowed people to travel to Europe.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 09:29

@pennylane83

It would be ridiculous for all double vaxxed to be allowed to travel abroad unrestricted when children aren't being vaccinated. The majority would end up isolating anyway because of their kids, or, if they are saying travel with kids dosent require isolation if the adults has have been double jabbed then it makes a mockery of the bubble system and isolation requirements in schools.

I don't think it would be unrestricted, you'd still have to do all the testing, which makes sense. That would act as a safety blanket in many ways. It would make a huge difference to the average Joe who is unable to quarantine due to work. In a 2.5 week period when people were going abroad, there were no positive cases from green list countries so the data looks positive

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 09:30

@pennylane83

It would be ridiculous for all double vaxxed to be allowed to travel abroad unrestricted when children aren't being vaccinated. The majority would end up isolating anyway because of their kids, or, if they are saying travel with kids dosent require isolation if the adults has have been double jabbed then it makes a mockery of the bubble system and isolation requirements in schools.

They're also looking at adults not having to isolate if they've been double jabbed as a previous poster mentioned- contact isolation.

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User135644 · 22/06/2021 09:31

MP's will want their foreign holidays, the borders will open when parliament recess starts.

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waterlane · 22/06/2021 09:32

@Caselgarcia

There's not enough capacity in PCR testing either here or abroad if they allowed people to travel to Europe.

That's interesting. But the rest of the bloc are going to be allowed to travel freely around Europe, so surely there must be capacity to allow that? Or do they not have to test?

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Thirtyrock39 · 22/06/2021 09:41

To be fair goves study is genuine. I was offered it by track and trace - if you take part you have a 50% chance of being in a daily test group who can still go to work abs essential activities and a 50% chance of still isolating but having an extra pcr test- annoyingly I was put in this half . However healthcare staff have since been told we would have to still isolate regardless.
This study is hopefully in the future going to allow double vaccinated contacts to not need to self isolate (USA already have this in place) but to do daily lateral flow tests

Thirtyrock39 · 22/06/2021 09:44

I wish they had just said in January - foreign holidays are extremely unlikely ...the press haven't helped - I've been frantically googling for months and it's been farcical how for example the tabloids go from 'hol-yay' to 'hol-nay' headlines day to day and the express etc will have quotes that are always people in the travel industry being ridiculously over optimistic.
We have just moved our foreign holiday again but I knew it wouldn't happen this year