All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

@Cornettoninja

*Why can’t things change?

I’ve changed recently, definitely more compliant all the way through*

@MarshaBradyo I’m not doubting you. The only stupid opinion is one that doesn’t change dependent on the facts. However, there are obvious organised movements very clearly capitalising on peoples stamina as much as the government and media are guilty of their own propaganda and use of peoples own fears.

As I said though, calls such as the ones in this thread are redundant since we’re already doing what is being asked and moving towards the final stage of restrictions.

I would ask what the point of this anonymous internet rallying ‘battle’ cry is actually trying to achieve? Personally I’d rather focus my energies on an equal and fair recovery than getting my knickers in a twist demanding something already in motion 🤷‍♀️

It’s just venting some aren’t pissed off enough to want to do it others are.

I read posts from others stuck in hideous isolation as football crowds celebrate and I’m glad there are others get it.

There probably is some behaviour change too, slight but there.

@randomkey123

Long Covid is surely post viral/chronic fatigue that be brought on by any virus not just Covid.

Yes, but those people didn't count until Covid. Fit to work, PIP, UC, removal of severe disability premium on UC, removal of free prescriptions/eye care and dental care on UC, new pensioners whose domestic partner is under the now higher pension age put onto UC rather than able to claim Pension Tax Credit, forced exercise (later found to be detrimental to their conditions), pain meds removed in favour of mindfulness, CBT for PVS and on and on. In fact, they still don't count as it's not Covid.

I agree with you. Up until now recently ive been a massive supporter of lockdowns but they no longer seem tied to hospitalisation data.

To be clear, people with two jabs are dying. But also people with the flu jab die every year too.

I could lose a parent to it. I think I'd now rather that than so many children losing their childhoods

getting my knickers in a twist demanding something already in motion 🤷‍♀️

So what’s the scheduled end date for close contacts having to isolate? I genuinely don’t know re England, but here in Scotland the government are ‘looking into’ ways to reduce kids’ isolation time so education won’t be quite so disrupted - when our schools go back in August. Beyond that, absolutely not even a hint of a sniff of some future date when we won’t be sending a bunch of kids home to isolate because a classmate tested positive.

@randomkey123

Long Covid is surely post viral/chronic fatigue that be brought on by any virus not just Covid.

Amazing that you know more than the researchers studying Long Covid.

And to those of you talking about we should be getting back to normal, do you really think that governments around the world, including ours would wreck their economies, education and social wellbeing of whole populations if they weren’t……how shall I put this?….f*ing worried about this new and unpredictable infection?

They are the ones who are talking to the experts, they are the ones who are as fully informed as possible about the risks and possibilities. So yes, ask questions, try and find out why decisions are being made but really, most of the posters on these threads really don’t have the knowledge or experience to judge how right or wrong they are.

I’m sick of it all too but I also read the news about India, Brazil, Peru and the rest where healthcare is collapsing because of uncontained Covid.

‘Poverty kills’ isn’t just a cliche. Poverty does kill. Things that cause poverty also cause negative health outcomes for the people affected. Loneliness is also bad for health. Sedentary lifestyles are also bad for health. Damaging education damages a child’s chances across its life, long-term.

So it’s not a matter of “oh well it’s a bit inconvenient but who cares if it’s protecting people from illness and death.” It’s not that simple.

Indeed. There are now some very good data and stats on the fallout from the increase in poverty in the past 11 years, and a startling number of deaths.

[quote SweetsMum3]@HSHorror

Unmasked kids? As masks do anything at all to stop the spread of an aerosolized virus.

We have herd immunity. Those who have had covid + those adults who have been vaccinated. The only thing that matters is that the elderly and high risk are vaccinated. The goal was to stop severe symptoms not eradicate covid because it’s impossible!

We can now live our lives fully and yes, socialize![/quote]
I totally understand your concerns however saying we have herd immunity as of now, just isn't true.

I’m sick of it all too but I also read the news about India, Brazil, Peru and the rest where healthcare is collapsing because of uncontained Covid.

Because of uncontained poverty, corruption, drug cartel/traffic and pockets of civil unrest.

@MarshaBradyo but it isn’t just venting is it? Communication is valuable and this is a forum read by many, many more than those who contribute to it. MN is as influential as a lot of mainstream new sites (hence why they get content lifted so often).

We all know people who seem to only get their news off Facebook memes and comments, these words do matter and make a difference. People from most perspectives simply confirm their existing bias on sites like these which isn’t great because quite often their existing bias isn’t based on very good quality information. It’s basically the same phenomenon as old wives tales and urban myths but on technological steroids.

Completely agree with you.

YY @osbertthesyrianhamster

This thread now makes an even more interesting read two and a half years on.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/3479693-Changes-to-Pension-Credit

Im sorry people are so full of anger. There are no easy answers to the situation we are all in. The virus doesn't care what we want or don't want. I do worry about people struggling and the younger generation. I hope that the more people who get vaccinated will perhaps make the difference. Take care everyone.

[quote Cornettoninja]@MarshaBradyo but it isn’t just venting is it? Communication is valuable and this is a forum read by many, many more than those who contribute to it. MN is as influential as a lot of mainstream new sites (hence why they get content lifted so often).

We all know people who seem to only get their news off Facebook memes and comments, these words do matter and make a difference. People from most perspectives simply confirm their existing bias on sites like these which isn’t great because quite often their existing bias isn’t based on very good quality information. It’s basically the same phenomenon as old wives tales and urban myths but on technological steroids.[/quote]
Below a few said that we were the minority moaning into the wind and yougov said otherwise.

If we can actually impact stuff fine.

I don’t do FB etc and take care to let others select for me (due to bias as you say) so that part doesn’t apply here.

So if anyone is listening - look at prioritising children and ensuring isolation is minimised. It’s unhealthy and detrimental to them.

I referred to the opinion polls, that speak for the majority. Oh - and the majority of respected scientific and medical experts. Worldwide.

The opinion polls via yougov. Enough said.

To determine the opinion of the majority of worldwide experts must have taken you thousands of hours. Well done

OTOH the normal people are just cracking on with their lives and have never even heard of yougov.

I wonder how long kids will have to do this ridiculous ten day isolation?

I completely agree @SweetsMum3

[quote MercyBooth]YY @osbertthesyrianhamster

This thread now makes an even more interesting read two and a half years on.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/3479693-Changes-to-Pension-Credit[/quote]
Indeed, Mercy. Brazil's been a nightmare for decades. My father wouldn't even let us go with him when he worked there. Its leader now is a total lunatic. The extreme poverty kills millions there, Covid is just another thing on the list!

I agree with you. Up until now recently ive been a massive supporter of lockdowns but they no longer seem tied to hospitalisation data

To be fair we haven't been in a lockdown for a while now. I think there is usually a lag with cases rising and hospitalisations, so a bit of watchful waiting is probably a good idea just at the moment. Cases are going up more slowly than in previous waves which is a good sign and hospitalisations for covid are also remaining pretty low, another good sign. I would far rather have a few more weeks of life as it is now, than a backward step, but I appreciate others feel differently.

[quote SweetsMum3]@LucilleTheVampireBat

I know. But who really are the selfish ones? Those who don’t put children first are the selfish ones. This is the first time in history when we as adults said to children, “You need to take care of us. You need to sacrifice your mental health, your education, your career, your childhood, your social development, etc etc… to protect us adults!”[/quote]
It doesn't do kids much good if the adults looking after them get seriously ill or die, though, does it?

My DS ended up being my carer for a big chunk of 2020 due to covid. He saw me carted off in an ambulance in the middle of the night, was left alone in the flat wondering if he'd ever see me again. How do you imagine that impacted his mental health?

I agree, I have a teen out isolating due to a 2 minute conversation with someone who then tested positive. Literally 2 minutes and for that she'll miss all her mocks with her peers and will sit them separately on her own. So missing yet more lessons on top of this week. I'm beyond fed up with it

@Tealightsandd

I also think my children might be pretty cross if they have serious health impacts because I pretended Covid was no risk to them

This.

And also most children are not psychopaths. They love and care about their adult relatives and friends. Parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, older siblings.

Children are at very low risk of becoming seriously ill and their vulnerable loved ones who are at risk from coronavirus should have been fully vaccinated.

@Baileysforchristmas

I don’t understand people still saying children can kill granny or their parents, they’ve been vaccinated 🤷‍♀️ that threat has gone.

You don't understand statistics then

@ArcheryAnnie I’m sorry for your situation and what your son went through but surely the risk of parents getting very sick from Covid has been greatly reduced because of vaccinations?

We don’t have herd immunity yet, that would have made the press conferences if so.

Adults and children have to isolate after contact with a case so they are not being singled out.

If we stop testing and isolating it will run rife, more will get ill or worse and more variants can occur.

@sleepwouldbenice for me that fear has completely gone as my family are fully vaccinated. The vaccines are working, they are talking about people who are fully vaccinated not self isolating anymore

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/20/people-in-uk-with-both-covid-jabs-may-not-have-to-quarantine-says-scientist