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DFE tells schools prepare for the worst.

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3asAbird · 19/06/2021 09:39

www.tes.com/news/covid-schools-told-plan-more-remote-learning

Feeling so cross why allow schools to stop masks on may 17th.
When Hancock knew the delta varient was present in April 2021.

School outbreaks my councils 46 this week and a fair few in neighbouring county with some schools fully shut.
Lots senior transition days and inter sports tournament cancelled.

We know from Kent alpha varient took a few months get really bad.
Some say 6 week break act as firebreak.
I am bot so sure as people will travel and mingle and in some cases School maybe mirror community transmission which is on the rise.

I wish having would go for starters.
They said they making education a priority back in march.
This term has been rubbish for many.
I have no faith that autumn term be any different.

No mitigation measures on ventilation
No masks or compulsory testing.
No smaller class sizes.
No vaccines for under 18s.

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Tealightsandd · 19/06/2021 16:17

@noblegiraffe

We're also not doing anywhere near as much as other countries to fund covid recovery for children. One tenth of what was deemed necessary.

The government don't give a shit about kids.

Some good news at least.

www.itv.com/news/2021-06-14/long-covid-hubs-to-open-for-children-and-young-adults-in-england

NannyAndJohn · 19/06/2021 16:21

@Tealightsandd

And letting Covid spread freely amongst unvaccinated or semi vaccinated is a huge risk factor for mutated variants.

We could end up being responsible for another UK strain - potentially more vaccine resistant. No wonder other countries are restricting entry from the UK. We are a high risk country.

We're the laughing stock of the entire world.

Embarrassed and ashamed.

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2021 16:21

I’m not sure that the govt having to open 15 paediatric hubs to deal with the consequences of long covid in children is good news. It should certainly give those in favour of a gung-ho approach to schools pause for thought.

Tealightsandd · 19/06/2021 16:25

I agree it's not good news that those poor children need the treatment. But unfortunately there are many that do - and until now have really struggled to access help. Most of the Long Covid clinics were set up for adults only. So it's good news in that children will now (hopefully) be able to get medical care for their Long Covid.

Timeturnerplease · 19/06/2021 16:30

Surely the majority of teachers should have had their first dose by now

Not unless they have a high proportion of staff over 50 and/or live in an area where they are working quickly through the lists.

My school, a OFE village primary, has seven full time teachers. One is 53 and had her second vaccine last week. Others range from age 27 to 46 and none of have had a second. Similar with head, kitchen staff and TAs - only two have had second jab. Two of us teachers are also pregnant, me heavily so, and no second jab until summer holidays.

If we’re to avoid the in out in out situation we had last autumn that caused weeks of lost learning, then measures will have to be taken and, of course, FUNDED.

TableFlowerss · 19/06/2021 16:34

Do you want tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of our children to get Long Covid?

This has been here for about 17 months, where it was absolutely rife.

No one knows how many children had had it, given that the majority of them don’t show symptoms.

So why all of a sudden, would long covid be such a huge concern? Don’t get me wrong, it is a concern, but I don’t understand why they are only staring to give a shit now?

What’s changed between Feb last year and June this year? Yes there’s new variations and it spreads more rapidly, but they don’t have data to know how many children have actually contracted it.

Initially it was to protect the vulnerable, now it’s children?…. It doesn’t make sense.

IrmaFayLear · 19/06/2021 16:52

@NannyAndJohn - bingo! “the laughing stock of the entire world” - yep, that’s right Hmm

I think it’s you who is the laughing stock of these threads. Every day you pop up spouting some crap with a political overtone. And sound thoroughly gleeful about everything - even preemptive gloating about a Christmas lockdown. Saddo.

NannyAndJohn · 19/06/2021 17:11

[quote IrmaFayLear]@NannyAndJohn - bingo! “the laughing stock of the entire world” - yep, that’s right Hmm

I think it’s you who is the laughing stock of these threads. Every day you pop up spouting some crap with a political overtone. And sound thoroughly gleeful about everything - even preemptive gloating about a Christmas lockdown. Saddo.[/quote]
I'm one of the very few on here who wants to prevent another lockdown.

BungleandGeorge · 19/06/2021 17:22

@noblegiraffe

As I said, the early bit of an exponential graph is not 'nothing to worry about'.
There were 3 cases, there were more elsewhere. The problem in Italy was that they had at least one superspreader who refused to isolate. Covid is not linear spread, there are superspreaders. What I’m disputing is that there were concerns with Italy in particular. If you’re saying there should have been no travel at all I can understand that but Italy in particular was not a concern at the beginning of half term.
SchrodingersUnicorn · 19/06/2021 17:45

I'm a CEV teacher. Had both jabs but there is a good chance they won't have worked because I'm immunocompromised. Until teens are vaccinated to reduce the spread between them, I am in no way safe at work - but shielding is paused so I have to go in.
I have a CEV pupil who has been told by his consultant there are no plans to vaccinate even CEV 12-15 year olds, he just has to take his chances (cystic fibrosis). Shielding is paused, so if he stayed at home his parents could be fined by the LA, although our Head would fight it because she thinks it's wrong. The light at the end of the tunnel for him is when he is 16 in 3 years time and can get a vaccine. Kids with CF have a life expectancy in their 30s. It makes me so angry that we have a vaccine licensed and won't give it.

cantkeepawayforever · 19/06/2021 17:50

The light at the end of the tunnel for him is when he is 16 in 3 years time and can get a vaccine. Kids with CF have a life expectancy in their 30s. It makes me so angry that we have a vaccine licensed and won't give it.

We have an equivalent pupil, but they have 6 years to go before they can get a vaccine - and as it is a primary, nobody has ever worn a mask in class and there is no ability for adults or children to SD. The psychological damage of the uncertainty for the child and their parents must be terrible, especially as we currently have more cases in school than we have ever had before, but no shielding.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/06/2021 18:03

I know a couple in their 50’s, no health complaints, who were double vaccinated with Pfizer at least 3 months ago (HCP’s]. They have both tested positive this week.

As for masks. In dd’s school, like many others, masks are still mandatory.

Abraxan · 19/06/2021 18:17

The views of both WHO and the CDC were that while schools could be covid-unsafe, with social distancing measures and things like masks/ventilation/hygience enforced, they appeared to be very covid-safe.

And how many schools have truly been able to manage all this?

We had pretty strict rules but had to stay within LEA guidelines, which came from the Government.

It is primary so no masks and no social distancing within the bubbles between children and staff. School adults SDed between each other and we had no in person staff meetings, and lunch etc was in classrooms, staff rooms closed, etc.

Old school so over crowded classrooms with limited ventilation possible. Limited outside poace for number of students too. We already have two classrooms in 'temporary' cabins - they've been used for decades.

Not enough toilets so have to be shared with other classes, limited hand washing space as a result and over crowded toilet areas.. One sink in a classroom for 30 children.

Not allowed to ask children to provide evidence of a negative PCR even if sent home with symptoms. Have to take their word for it. List of symptoms used in the UK was limited despite us knowing that children often displayed different symptoms to the main 3 we used.

PHE not fully following at the information provided meaning not all classes with contact had to isolate, especially if someone had non 'big 3' symptoms.

Unsurprisingly Covid swept through the school in the Autumn term. over 75% staff caught it. Several parents and pupils did too. This was despite our best efforts.

Anyone who truly believes that most state schools were able to really implement everything those reports advised are somewhat naive at best.

Abraxan · 19/06/2021 18:20

Once self isolation for close contacts isnt needed for the general population, then it wont be used in schools either. I am quite sure having heard some of the briefing information.

However, I don't think schools should be granted special permission to just ignore the general advise and be letting close contacts mingle en mass every day in crowded, poorly ventilated classrooms.

Abraxan · 19/06/2021 18:23

Surely the majority of teachers should have had their first dose by now

Our last few unvaccinated staff (all have been willing and/or keen to have it from what we hear; we don't appear to have any vaccine refusers on staff) have now booked their first vaccines, most having it this week.

The over 45s have had their second mostly. The rest should have theirs in the next 8-10 weeks. So by September most should be double vaxxed and had a bit of time after for it to kick in.

WaverleyPirate · 19/06/2021 18:30

By September....

That's the problem. The horse has bolted for Summer term already.

laserboy · 19/06/2021 18:31

I know a couple in their 50’s, no health complaints, who were double vaccinated with Pfizer at least 3 months ago (HCP’s]. They have both tested positive this week.

Same here, but both are teachers and double vaccinated for a month before testing positive. Husband was under the weather for a few days, wife has been in bed for just over a week.

lonelyplanet · 19/06/2021 18:32

@TableFlowerss

*Do you want tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of our children to get Long Covid?*

This has been here for about 17 months, where it was absolutely rife.

No one knows how many children had had it, given that the majority of them don’t show symptoms.

So why all of a sudden, would long covid be such a huge concern? Don’t get me wrong, it is a concern, but I don’t understand why they are only staring to give a shit now?

What’s changed between Feb last year and June this year? Yes there’s new variations and it spreads more rapidly, but they don’t have data to know how many children have actually contracted it.

Initially it was to protect the vulnerable, now it’s children?…. It doesn’t make sense.

I don't believe that the government are concerned, the dfe guidance is just to pass responsibility and blame onto local authorities and schools.

They do have the data about schools; they just aren't sharing it.

Long covid is a concern and needs to be taken seriously:

mobile.twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1405830700541095936

AliceLivesHere · 19/06/2021 18:47

@Mummyratbag

Out of interest - those who have had whole year groups close - how many people in that year group have tested positive before they close? I know there are many factors involved to do with contact etc, but just wondered...
At our local secondary 1 pupil tested positive and 35 children sent home. None of them have since tested positive and the original child caught from a family gathering at half term so all those children missed class due to 1 family causing the problem.
AliceLivesHere · 19/06/2021 18:49

@Abraxan

Once self isolation for close contacts isnt needed for the general population, then it wont be used in schools either. I am quite sure having heard some of the briefing information.

However, I don't think schools should be granted special permission to just ignore the general advise and be letting close contacts mingle en mass every day in crowded, poorly ventilated classrooms.

I agree it should go. I had my DS tested by PCR and negative and several LFT and constant negative but cannot go back and must continue to isolate. They must stop sending pupils home just because they sit in the same class.
AliceLivesHere · 19/06/2021 18:50

The Delta variant might spread quicker but it's not so severe in young people according to one expert:

"Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people."

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2021 18:51

They must stop sending pupils home just because they sit in the same class.

So you are one of those who is comfortable with unmitigated covid spread among children and young people?

lonelyplanet · 19/06/2021 18:58

@AliceLivesHere

The Delta variant might spread quicker but it's not so severe in young people according to one expert:

"Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people."

The point is we don't know the long term effects. Did you read this recent study that I posted? I'll post again in case you missed it.

mobile.twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1405830700541095936

We all know that a covid infection is less severe in children, that isn't in any doubt. The question is what are the longer term consequences of letting it rip through schools again? Not just on health but on the missed education that follows.

littlequestion · 19/06/2021 19:03

I'm so sick of what's going on in schools. If COVID is a risk to under 18s, vaccinate them. If it isn't, then stop making them isolate when there's a case.

AliceLivesHere · 19/06/2021 19:06

@noblegiraffe

They must stop sending pupils home just because they sit in the same class.

So you are one of those who is comfortable with unmitigated covid spread among children and young people?

'Unmitigated covid' - strange choice of words.

Yes - I'm 'one of those' that think sending home pupils who then test negative over and over and have to stay home is pointless. The one child that tested positive is fine. As Professor Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people. Now should we be sending children home for what is essentially like a bad cold for them when vulnerable and older people have been vaccinated.

Caught from a family get together and not at school. My DS had the full PCR and is negative. Daily LFT and still negative but still cannot go back.