DFE tells schools prepare for the worst.

[3asAbird]

www.tes.com/news/covid-schools-told-plan-more-remote-learning

Feeling so cross why allow schools to stop masks on may 17th.
When Hancock knew the delta varient was present in April 2021.

School outbreaks my councils 46 this week and a fair few in neighbouring county with some schools fully shut.
Lots senior transition days and inter sports tournament cancelled.

We know from Kent alpha varient took a few months get really bad.
Some say 6 week break act as firebreak.
I am bot so sure as people will travel and mingle and in some cases School maybe mirror community transmission which is on the rise.

I wish having would go for starters.
They said they making education a priority back in march.
This term has been rubbish for many.
I have no faith that autumn term be any different.

No mitigation measures on ventilation
No masks or compulsory testing.
No smaller class sizes.
No vaccines for under 18s.

I'm done now.
I look forward to one day coming back to Mumsnet and finding all the shield the vulnerable, freedom fighter shouting Wake Up, and deeming my child's life too unimportant to give a fuck about, posters have pissed off to some other website.
It's a shame because in the past the support and advice I've had for my child, from the moment he was born all the way through hospitalisations and diagnosis has been incredible.
Thus year has been a shit show in which I've lost my job, both parents, shielded a child with complex needs for a year, been in hospital and am having cancer screening....but it feels like Mumsnet is no longer there to be a handhold it's just full of shouting meemaws, asserting their right to flout any guidelines that might get us out of this shit.
After telling someone on another thread to fuck off, I realise I can't carry on here, so I'm off to deregister, Thankyou to the good ones.

The majority of people with a positive Covid test in hospital have acquired it there.

They have acknowledged that people with positive tests does not mean that they are in hospital because of Covid, but have been admitted and being treated for something else. They have said they are going to count properly to reflect this.

@WouldBeGood

The majority of people with a positive Covid test in hospital have acquired it there.

They have acknowledged that people with positive tests does not mean that they are in hospital because of Covid, but have been admitted and being treated for something else. They have said they are going to count properly to reflect this.

I agree not all patients in hospital with a positive covid test are admitted because of covid

However the data from August 2020 to March 2021 showed that only 1 in 7 patients caught covid in hospital

So your statement was wrong

@HazeyJaneII I’ve also had cancer screening, had to go private to kick start treatment cos Covid. My uncle died of late diagnosed cancer. My son has suffered terribly. I’ve had depression because of lockdown . My DP has a life limiting illness and we were trying to make the most of life. I have complex PTSD, triggered by the restrictions. I see far worse things than Covid at my work. It’s not all one way.

Ah shit @HazeyJaneII I'm sorry you've had such an awful year

If MN has been helpful, don't de-register. Take a bit of time off then come back and avoid the covid section. There are still good places on here!

I hope things get better for you @HazeyJanell

Vulnerable children are as valuable as any other. It sounds like you've done brilliantly in keeping him safe under such difficult circumstances.

I think only a (vocal) minority want to flout guidelines or rules. Polls consistently show the majority of the public support mitigation measures.

We also have one of the highest vaccine take up rates in the world. We're well placed to reach herd immunity - true herd immunity of vaccine protection. Just a little bit more patience from people and we can do it.

[quote WouldBeGood]@cantkeepawayforever those figures went to December 2020.[/quote]
Yes, but the comparison is only valid for September to December.

It is not possible to compare teachers with other occupations from March - September, because for much of that period, teachers were not in front of normal-sized classes.

So a way to make the risk look smaller is to say 'x teachers died over 10 months vs other workers over 10 months'', whereas a VALID comparison is teacher from September through December vs other occupations September through December (Wasn't it also that data that separated out the different types of teacher, so there was primary, secondary and 'other', and the graph was skewed by the fact that they hadn't properly combined them? Or was that another piece of data manipulation?)

I realise nothing I can say will make the Covid obsessed change their minds.

There’s total hysteria around this.

And I realise from my earlier post that nothing about my life or experience matters. Just Covid

insulting people and showing very little empathy or understanding towards other posters makes it hard tbh.

I don’t think it’s me who lacks empathy

one large public school i know of in the south has closed and reverted to online learning due to the covid numbers being to high through the school.
Another prep school closed for 2 weeks..
Another school more local to me has asked all the L6th and Year 10'a to isolate for 10 days due to positive cases....

In this area we have had relatively low cases so this has been such a shock.

@whattodo2019

one large public school i know of in the south has closed and reverted to online learning due to the covid numbers being to high through the school. Another prep school closed for 2 weeks.. Another school more local to me has asked all the L6th and Year 10'a to isolate for 10 days due to positive cases....

In this area we have had relatively low cases so this has been such a shock.

I believe I know where you are talking about although I do not feel it is a shock. (River, Bridge, Ford) No talk of community acquired cases.

@WouldBeGood

I realise nothing I can say will make the Covid obsessed change their minds.

There’s total hysteria around this.

There certainly seems to be 'hysteria' from some quarters, about any and all mitigation measures - like with masks, for example.

I got exited when I saw this headline
Then realised was 16-18.
My eldest starts year 11 sept shes asthmatic.
She won't be 16 until Feb
Year 11 such a key year not to be disrupted.
I expect autumn term be crap now.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15339065/government-teens-vaccine-school/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

[quote 3asAbird]I got exited when I saw this headline
Then realised was 16-18.
My eldest starts year 11 sept shes asthmatic.
She won't be 16 until Feb
Year 11 such a key year not to be disrupted.
I expect autumn term be crap now.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15339065/government-teens-vaccine-school/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly[/quote]
I’m pleased to read this. you have to wait I know how it feels, Ds just 16 now.

@WouldBeGood

I realise nothing I can say will make the Covid obsessed change their minds.

There’s total hysteria around this.

I dunno, maybe the people who have different opinions to you are reading the scientific data or something...

@WouldBeGood

I realise nothing I can say will make the Covid obsessed change their minds.

There’s total hysteria around this.

I hadn't realised that explaining the data (that has already been debunked) was hysteria.

Good to know.

We need to vaccinate secondary school children right away, so we can catch them while they are still in school this term, and then get second doses in before they go back in September. It's the only way to stop it spreading in schools.

And if that doesn't take the case rate down we need to look at rolling it out to primary schools too.

I seem to remember that the ONS data was discredited because all the other occupations were averaged over a period when they were all working, and teachers were averaged over a period when schools were predominantly closed during lockdown?

As well as separating schools out into separate categories rather than describing them as a whole, like almost every other occupation.

@Abraxan

I seem to remember that the ONS data was discredited because all the other occupations were averaged over a period when they were all working, and teachers were averaged over a period when schools were predominantly closed during lockdown?

As well as separating schools out into separate categories rather than describing them as a whole, like almost every other occupation.

Yes-it was, I remember there was criticism about this at the time.

@Abraxan

I seem to remember that the ONS data was discredited because all the other occupations were averaged over a period when they were all working, and teachers were averaged over a period when schools were predominantly closed during lockdown?

As well as separating schools out into separate categories rather than describing them as a whole, like almost every other occupation.

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/infectionsanddeathsinteacherscomparedtootheroccupations

ONS have released more than one statement regarding the data. They later amalgamated teaching staff and said it made no difference to the result

Thank you for that link @BungleandGeorge

It’s interesting that you say it made no difference when in fact they say

The ONS was clear at the time that based on this analysis, “there was no evidence of any difference” within our survey. This is not the same as saying that, “there is no difference”.

When looking at how the data were aggregated, different types of teachers experience different circumstances in the classroom, which could have an effect on their chance of being infected with COVID-19. As a result, we took the decision to publish data with more detail to give more information.

In response to questions around the aggregation of different occupations, we have reproduced this analysis with the teachers group combined. This also shows no clear evidence from our survey as to whether there is a difference in the level of individuals who would test positive for COVID-19 between teachers and other key workers.

Looking at the data from your link (and the small sample set) the ‘all teachers category’ recorded more positives between Sept and Oct than the ‘other key workers’ category that I assume also includes some Health Care Professionals although not those in care homes it specifies.

The ‘other professionals’ category included approx 5,000 more people and yet teachers (about 1200 of them) still recorded 53 positives in their sample to the ‘other professionals’ at 286.

Looks a pretty worrying statistic to me with one profession that high against all those others combined.

Remember, that this was just in people that were part of their study testing regularly and not the overall numbers at the time. And yet the govt still used it to push their narrative because they could claim no clear evidence rather than no evidence.

I'm sure that I've read studies suggesting teachers are second only to HCP for Long Covid cases? I might be remembering wrong.

www.tes.com/news/call-help-teachers-suffering-long-covid

The NASUWT teaching union has launched a campaign for long Covid to be legally recognised as a disability under the Equality Act of 2010.

The union says more than 1 million people in the UK are now living with long Covid, with teachers and education support staff the second most likely profession to be affected, only just behind healthcare workers.