DFE tells schools prepare for the worst.

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www.tes.com/news/covid-schools-told-plan-more-remote-learning

Feeling so cross why allow schools to stop masks on may 17th.
When Hancock knew the delta varient was present in April 2021.

School outbreaks my councils 46 this week and a fair few in neighbouring county with some schools fully shut.
Lots senior transition days and inter sports tournament cancelled.

We know from Kent alpha varient took a few months get really bad.
Some say 6 week break act as firebreak.
I am bot so sure as people will travel and mingle and in some cases School maybe mirror community transmission which is on the rise.

I wish having would go for starters.
They said they making education a priority back in march.
This term has been rubbish for many.
I have no faith that autumn term be any different.

No mitigation measures on ventilation
No masks or compulsory testing.
No smaller class sizes.
No vaccines for under 18s.

MarshBradyo - wow!

As I said up thread 5 positives in a week at son's school - about 200 home and he's still there. I appreciate what they are trying to do and I know being in school has its benefits, but I'm feeling decidedly twitchy!

[quote BeastforLease]@noblegiraffe schools have a duty of care to not only their students, but also their staff.

Going above government guidelines means they protect children and staff who are CEV for example - that is well within the wider implications of HSE guidelines.[/quote]
And it puts them at risk of legal action, which in times of severely restricted budgets and massive workloads, heads are keen to avoid.

They are also keen to avoid being accused of child abuse on twitter, which is another known side-effect of mandating masks in classrooms.

There are some fucking awful parents out there.

@noblegiraffe

Everyone I knew who had covid in those waves either worked, or had been in a hospital as a patient, or had close contact with one of either of those groups.

Everyone I know who had covid in the first in second waves either caught it at school, or from a school child… it depends on who you know. But given that by Christmas the infection rate was highest by far in secondary school kids than any other age group, it seems that schools were a major factor in transmission that the government and the media chose to ignore.

Now we are seeing a totally different story emerging.

This time there does seem to be more stories in the press about how the delta variant is spreading through schools, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t last time, just that it wasn’t reported.

I am wondering whether it was being reported that way because they were gearing up to tell the country that children need to be vaccinated over the summer, but now that is looking less likely the stories may disappear.

First wave no - the infection was seeded primarily by returning travellers, who passed it on to their households, work colleagues etc. Schools were closed too early to make a difference.

Second wave - schools definitely played a part, but I wouldn't describe it as major - the virus didn't spread easily though younger children (

And yet they are saying they wont vaccinate kids.
What a fucking farce

'Out of interest - those who have had whole year groups close - how many people in that year group have tested positive before they close? I know there are many factors involved to do with contact etc, but just wondered...'

Primary here, 1 positive case closes a bubble. We've had 2 bubbles close in the past month. I think for the second closure only, all parents advised to get PCR tests for children. Last I heard 11 children and from 1 adult from the same class were positive.

11 in the year group here last I heard. Could well have been more cases who were contacts of those 11 since then.

@Branleuse they still haven't vaccinated all teachers. Because schools are 'COVID safe'. If they wouldn't prioritise the at risk adults O very much doubt they'll care too much about kids.

Gosh some of these replies (in terms of spread) are eye opening. Thanks.

@Branleuse where have they said they won't vaccinate children?

I thought MHRA were considering this and had yet to send the advice through regarding their final decision?

@Mummyratbag

Gosh some of these replies (in terms of spread) are eye opening. Thanks.

Tbh I have no idea how many got a positive as a result of that first one. The few I’ve spoken to have said negative but there’s a fair few dc taking tests.

First wave no - the infection was seeded primarily by returning travellers, who passed it on to their households, work colleagues etc. Schools were closed too early to make a difference

Who knows what the impact of all those half term school ski trips to Italy was?

^Second wave - schools definitely played a part, but I wouldn't describe it as major - the virus didn't spread easily though younger children (

Oh, in fact the vaccine has already been approved (P-Btech) for children above 12.

[quote BeastforLease]@Branleuse where have they said they won't vaccinate children?

I thought MHRA were considering this and had yet to send the advice through regarding their final decision?[/quote]
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/16/uk-minister-vaccine-advisers-not-planning-back-covid-jabs-children

Beast the vaccine being approved for kids doesn't mean that kids will be vaccinated as part of the government vaccination programme. That's still under consideration by the Joint Committee on Vaccinations.

Liz Truss was saying it looked unlikely.

Oh, OK, they haven't actually said they've made a decision though...

I have noticed that DD's school have upped the ante with sending out reminder messages for the pupils to do their LFTs regularly. Given that quite a lot have opted out of doing them at all (or their parents have), I think it's a bit rich. We must have had about five reminder emails in 10 days. Does it mean the DfE is pressurising schools?

Theres something really bloody fishy going on.
Ive followed the bloody rules. I took my kids out even before they closed the schools originally. Im double vaccinated, but im starting to have some synpathy now for the conspiracies

Thanks by the way - I thought the post was referring to an actual decision.

I don't really trust what they say with the vaccines - there's been such a lot of movement with it all already!

The way out is vaxxing the kids.
And yet they refuse so far to do this!...
I think this is becoming ridiculous as some kids have had 0 days out as KW kids. Others
50% of 19/20 school year
8/35 of 20/21 (25% or so)
Plus any awaiting results or isolations.
And then £50 catchup that doesnt even go to them. The gov saved more than that pp because of the ks1 universal meals that those not on free meals didnt get.
Also kids having to be off potentially because other parents /kids have been
Doing all extra curricular activites
Going off sight seeing to london
Parents going off in groups for the weekend
Off travelling abroad
In the pub

With ventilation and masks and vax? We may have got to the stage where you didnt need to isolate as a contact.

The last few weeks of term probably dont matter much. But there are over 4 left still.
Other countries are obviously starting school holidays already too

What conspiracies, Branleuse?

Schools should be the last thing to close! Close everything else first, go back to square one and keep schools open. It’s only staring to spread again because everything’s starting to reopen.

There needs to be money thrown at testing in school, masks and ventilation.
Does my head in that masks and the initial flurry of school testing didn't continue.

@noblegiraffe

What conspiracies, Branleuse?

The ones about how the government are using covid to restructure and remove essential services and remove certain rights. Disaster capitalism

5 schools closed near me recently. My friend who works in a school had 149 positive cases this week in their school. In my school we have about 10 children in school in person and 1 member of staff.

Oh right, Branleuse. I think that is assigning a level of capability to this government that they pretty evidently don't possess.

Don't ascribe to malice what you can ascribe to incompetence. Do you think Gav is a mastermind?