If you've refused a vaccine, would you mind answering some questions?

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This comes from a conversation I had this afternoon. I'm interested in people's views if they have refused the Covid jab - I'm not talking about people who have a medical reasons for not being vaccinated, eg you're in the middle of chemo or you've been advised not to by your doctor, but just those people who've been offered the vaccination but don't want to take it up.

1 Do you think the UK should be sending vaccines to third world countries?
2 If you were in India at the height of the pandemic, would you have accepted a vaccine?
3 Would you accept a vaccine if you found it restricted your lifestyle otherwise (eg you couldn't fly anywhere or go to a theatre/gig)?
4) Would you be happier if your elderly parents or other high risk relatives were vaccinated?
5) How do you think the pandemic can be resolved safely without a vaccine?

Sorry for so many questions - nobody to chat to about this at the moment and it came up in conversation with a relative who doesn't want to have the vaccine.

Q 1-4 no to all.

Q 5 Putting more effort into effective treatments and providing support for the high risk where required and those who need to stay at home due to mild viral symptoms in order to limit the spread.

my reason for not getting it yet is that I'm reclusive anyway, to answer 5 I think vaccines are prob the only way out, but I dont want to take a hit unless I have to

Why the discussion? If the relative doesn't want it, they dont need to have it.

First 4, no.
I've declined for now. I'm not aware that we're being forced or co-erced so there's nothing to refuse.
I have links to 2 people in their 40s who have died from blood clots, 1 person who has had life changing side effects and 1 person who's has been very poorly after it and may yet have life changing consequences. That's a high enough rate for me to have serious doubts.

1-3 no
4 it’s up to them
5 I think vaccines are useful for reducing risks in the older/more vulnerable groups. I don’t think they’re necessary for everyone.

1 no

2 no

3 possibly. I would still resist but DP would probably put pressure on

4 n/a

5 I do believe it is the way out but have to weigh up on what is best for me as an individual at this point

1- unsure
2- No
3- No
4- No

5- like most things it needs to run it’s course. Those who are higher risk need a better support system in place.

1 - no opinion
2- no
3- no but if I couldn't earn a living, I'd probably take it - i have had dose 1, stupidly
4- no
5 - better infection control in hospitals and care homes, NOT including isolation for people who don't have it.

Sorry to hear that @Buzzinwithbez. Incredibly long odds for you to ‘have links’ with so many people with such reactions.

1 YES about vaccs to LMICs
2 Probably yes, the risk factors & situation & health care system are not same as where I live
3 I am getting vaccine because I have relatives overseas & I want to travel to see them...but as late as possible. I don't mind if I never attend concert, sport event or theatre again in my life.
4 I was delighted when my elderly parents got vacc -- I would probably try to encourage them to have jab but respect their decision if they decided not to have it
5 I'd be happy to get vacc if I thought I was in a high risk group, anyway. Pandemic Ends How other similar pandemics ended, once most everyone gets adequate immunity from wild infection at a young age with vacc as optional back up

1-yes (give vaccines to other countries instead of vaccinating children)
2-no
3- not doing that anyways!
4- yes
5- vaccine plus serious quarantine. The UK should have started quarantine a few weeks earlier and it never would have gotten this bad. Same with India, what kind of quarantine did they do? And brazil?!

I am not taking the vaccine because I'm breastfeeding. They said pregnant women could have it then said no, then said yes.

1. Only if they want and need them.
2. Who knows. Too many variables.
3. No.
4. It's entirely up to them.
5. Vaccination is great, but it should be part of a basket of strategies, including natural immunity, ventilation, focused protection of the vulnerable, improved public health, and new treatments. I'm concerned that novel vaccines who's risk profile we don't fully understand yet are being pushed population wide on people not at risk for covid. It smacks of leadership tunnel vision and panic.

For the record I'm not an antivaxxer, I'm a wait-and-see er. I hope my caution is unfounded, and most likely in a couple of years time, when I'm more vulnerable to covid, and the long term safety data is in, and the hysteria has died down, then I'll take my jab with a shrug.

4 no to all.
5 literally the only thing to have been irradiated with vaccines is small pox. It took 186 years after it had been around for 3000.

Irradiated 😂 Eradicated even!

@Buzzinwithbez

First 4, no. I've declined for now. I'm not aware that we're being forced or co-erced so there's nothing to refuse. I have links to 2 people in their 40s who have died from blood clots, 1 person who has had life changing side effects and 1 person who's has been very poorly after it and may yet have life changing consequences. That's a high enough rate for me to have serious doubts.

I'm very sorry you have lost two people. Did they die from Covid (as blood clots are a problem there) or from blood clots after the vaccine?

@BonnieDundee

Why the discussion? If the relative doesn't want it, they dont need to have it.

Because the relative is going to start working in a job where they will have to work in extremely close contact with other people. I don't think that's a good idea without being vaccinated and I wouldn't be a client if the person in that role hadn't been vaccinated. That's why the discussion occurred.

Following the vaccine, yes. I'm sure if I knew of a young person who seemed close enough to home who had died from covid I'd feel differently about the vaccine. Everyone is swayed by their own experience.

I’m interested in how many people not getting the vaccine have said no to question 1. Is that because you don’t think it’s safe and therefore shouldn’t be spread around to more people? Or because you think the UK should keep its vaccines here for those who do want it (including children?)

I wondered about that, too. It was very hard to see people suffering in India and if you had enough vaccines, it seems heartless not to send them. But then if you think vaccines do irreparable damage, why would you send them?

I don’t think vaccines should be given to other countries because it’s not safe and in poorer countries they’re less likely to research and just do as they’re told.
Definitely, definitely shouldn’t be given to children

Did your children have the MMR and polio vaccines, @Mymapuddlington? Is it just the Covid jabs you don't approve of?

1 No.
2 Possibly.
3 No.
4) If the only option is AZ, then no.
5) Using MRNA vaccines only.

@Mymapuddlington

4 no to all. 5 literally the only thing to have been irradiated with vaccines is small pox. It took 186 years after it had been around for 3000.

Smallpox, polio and rhinderpest.

Son had baby jabs yes.
I had swine flu jab when pregnant.
I’m not anti-vax but I am pro choice and pro knowledge.

My son was born healthy, reached milestones and regressed badly after vaccines, he’s now classed as severely disabled. I don’t know if vaccines are to blame or his autism causes regression etc I don’t know if swine flu jab when I was pregnant had any influence on it. I’m pregnant again and will be researching a lot more and not just doing as I’m told.

Also, my son has bowel x rays every month, at the height of the pandemic, first lockdown, hospitals over run, mass panic etc he had his x ray and was admitted for a couple of weeks. It was like a ghost town, the hospitals purpose built haven’t been used. If you die from a non related covid disease or accident while having covid, that is marked as cause of death. I know many nurses, doctors and carers who aren’t having it and I trust their opinions.

I was invited for the vaccine, I rang up and said I wouldn’t be having it. I’ve received 10 more invites through email/post/text. I felt like they’re forcing it. Now it turns out they are forcing it, starting with care staff.

No vaccine was created for mers or sars. Tobacco, alcohol and dangerous drugs are available over the counter. Nobody cares about people dying, It is only when the economy started to suffer did anyone care and a vaccine was rushed out to encourage people to get back to normal.

At the start it was known that it originated from bats, now they’re saying it was man made in a lab. Now they’re saying the vaccine is safe (despite more and more reports to the contrary) in a few years will we know it’s not? Will it be another thalidomide where everyone thinks it’s fine until it’s not?

I don’t want my family to be guinea pigs. Nobody knows the long term effects because it hasn’t been around long enough. I wear masks and hand sanitise and respect social distancing.

so bored of these threads now. I didn’t take
the vaccine as I hate old people...

No really. I am actually concerned about long term effects of all types which are basically unknown. These are new vaccines and we simply don’t have enough data. For example, if the spike protein isn’t stable and settles in places such as the brain, what happens? I’m also concerned about the use of nanoparticles as the injecting medium with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine. Again, unknown, and my concern is long term
neurological issues. I have zero faith in the safety reporting or data. I actualky would prefer the AZ as at least there has been more fault finding with it and it’s not nano based

I think there is merit in vaccinating the vulnerable. We also need better treatments which seem to be ignored. It would also be helpful to test people for antibodies to preexisting infection (WHY aren’t we doing this with care workers before they are sacked?)

No I haven’t taken the pill