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Theresa May on Variants

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Bewareoftheblob · 12/06/2021 11:11

twitter.com/AkkadSecretary/status/1403269206737629184

Could not agree more with Theresa May, never thought I'd say it.

Sorry for Twitter link, all news links behind paywalls.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/06/2021 18:47

They’ll suffer a much worse financial burden if we keep locking down and trashing the economy. The health burden on the young is minimal
And as others have already said, it being endemic is inevitable

Exactly this

Admittedly perspectives can get a bit skewed because folk carry on as if there's never been a virus before, but I genuinely don't understand why folk think this one can be "put back in the box" when almost none of the others have been

A vaccine for immortality doesn't exist, however much some might want one

bumbleymummy · 12/06/2021 18:53

So we should ignore the experts telling us that it will be endemic and believe you instead?

Yes, long covid can be awful but it’s not exactly new that some people can suffer long term effects after a virus.

Completely disagree with your border control idea.

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 18:54

This is the Johnson variant make no mistake.

My (retired scientist) dad says the same.

Some people on this thread seem completely unable to grasp that the risks are about much more than death and hospitalisation. They continue to try and downplay, deny, or minimalise Long Covid. Long Covid has ongoing health and financial implications.

Separately the 'who cares if it's an elderly or disabled death' brigade can go and campaign for assisted suicide and euthanasia if they feel the elderly are ready to go. (Incidentally lots of the vulnerable are of working age). Covid is a unpleasant and lonely death. And a mostly avoidable one.

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 19:02

@bumbleymummy

So we should ignore the experts telling us that it will be endemic and believe you instead?

Yes, long covid can be awful but it’s not exactly new that some people can suffer long term effects after a virus.

Completely disagree with your border control idea.

Ah I see. So you want to listen to a few of the experts (including... expert virologist, Theresa May) when it's something you think you want (because let's not think about tomorrow - which is why we're back here again).

But you don't want to listen to the majority of the experts when it's something else (border control).

Right ok. Our children will know who to blame when they look back in future years and ask why we condemned them to an unnecessary future of Covid and Long Covid.

As for the impact of endemic Covid (and Long Covid) on poorer countries. Well it's quite clear few care about that.

bumbleymummy · 12/06/2021 19:04

Separately the 'who cares if it's an elderly or disabled death' brigade can go and campaign for assisted suicide and euthanasia if they feel the elderly are ready to go.

Oh don’t be ridiculous. There’s a difference between ‘not caring’ if old people die and ‘accepting’ that people die from something when they get older. The average age of death from this is over 80. Death is not avoidable.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 12/06/2021 19:07

Right ok. Our children will know who to blame when they look back in future years and ask why we condemned them to an unnecessary future of Covid and Long Covid

They are going to blame some randoms on the internet who have no control whatsoever on government policy...really?

bumbleymummy · 12/06/2021 19:07

@Tealightsandd

Define ‘a few’.

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n494

Really not sure why you think we can eliminate this. I think you’re just trying to prolong the pain of the inevitable.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 12/06/2021 19:07

As for the impact of endemic Covid (and Long Covid) on poorer countries. Well it's quite clear few care about that

So, take it you donate to malaria vaccines/treatments/mosquito nets? To HIV and AIDS treatment in poorer countries? To clean water organisations? or campaign for any of the above?

Go on, how much do you care about poorer countries. Or do you only give a shit when you can exploit their poverty for your own arguments?

MarshaBradyo · 12/06/2021 19:09

But how does U.K. closing borders actively help poorer countries?

At least this way we’ve been very motivated to get cheap and easy to use vaccines. In that respect I think we’ve done pretty well

Although we’ll always be up for criticism I’m sure

MarshaBradyo · 12/06/2021 19:11

There aren’t many experts who think zero Covid for what decades? is possible. Can you link to them Tea?

I mean border closures for how long are we talking? If you don’t want dc to grow up with it

LivinLaVidaLoki · 12/06/2021 19:18

Oh and most fundraising events haven't been able to take place due to covid, foreign aid budget being cut because we've to pay for this somehow but praise the Lord we've saved the poor people from covid. Hallelujah!

loulouljh · 12/06/2021 20:10

She really is spot on I agree,

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 21:29

@MarshaBradyo

But how does U.K. closing borders actively help poorer countries?

At least this way we’ve been very motivated to get cheap and easy to use vaccines. In that respect I think we’ve done pretty well

Although we’ll always be up for criticism I’m sure

Yeah cos it will really help them to condemn them to a future of forever Covid. As opposed to stopping it.

Containing Covid helps all countries.

Many of those in the developing world sensibly did restrict their borders. They did so well in containing but thanks to countries like the UK (who refuse to stop the spread of any and all new strains) they face going through all that - taking those tough but common sense measures - for nothing. If it becomes endemic.

You think it was worth letting Covid take hold and spread, so that we could develop vaccines? That's like saying it's worth breaking a leg so you can get a cast!

Good for drugs and plaster cast companies, yes, but not for anybody else.

It would have been far better (and cheaper) to have never needed the vaccines in the first place.

There's a very big difference between zero Covid and getting on top of small number of cases quickly (easily managed when only a few) versus letting it spread and mutate and spread again.

Is very obvious, very simple, very basic infection control. Don't let a contagious disease in - and if a few cases do leak in, don't let it spread.

It's brick wall though. People seem completely unable to grasp that failing to contain is what prolongs the misery. It's why we are where we are today. Because one year ago people screamed and shouted and stamped their feet over the notion of border control. The horse has bolted, they cried. They refused to accept that the horse had cousins.

MarshaBradyo · 12/06/2021 21:33

Tea yes it would be great not to have needed them. China could have contained

Didn’t happen and we need them. Luckily we had people dedicated to producing cheap and accessible ones

I missed it how long are you shutting U.K. borders? Decades? As long as it takes for dc to grow up.. what’s the plan

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 21:35

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Oh and most fundraising events haven't been able to take place due to covid, foreign aid budget being cut because we've to pay for this somehow but praise the Lord we've saved the poor people from covid. Hallelujah!
Yes like you say, events can't take place because of Covid.... So yeah great idea - let's keep going. More Covid. Outbreaks again and again. And again. Wonderful! So helpful.

Of course, separately, there's this thing called modern technology. It makes possibles virtual and remote fundraising events...

As for cutting the foreign aid budget. Well yeah sure it will help so much if we have an extra financial burden of endemic Covid. So the costs of purchasing very expensive vaccines (and perhaps new drug treatments) every year. Year after year. And the cost of funding healthcare for all the Long Covid sufferers (and the ongoing impact on the economy of increasing numbers of people left unable to work).

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 21:55

Tea yes it would be great not to have needed them. China could have contained

We can't control the actions of others - but we can our own. We chose to import the virus and then let it spread. We continue to do this. Any and all new strains. All the horse's cousins.

Didn’t happen and we need them. Luckily we had people dedicated to producing cheap and accessible ones

Cheap?? It's going to cost billions and billions to get the world vaccinated. (Billions less if Biden and Macron's push for temporary patent waiver succeeds but still billions). And you want to burden us with the cost every year forever. Any patent waiver would almost certainly be temporary only (and it still costs to manufacture).

missed it how long are you shutting U.K. borders? Decades? As long as it takes for dc to grow up.. what’s the plan

Decades? Eh? The whole point of containment is to end it. So it doesn't become endemic, i.e. last for decades or longer. It's our refusal to contain that has made it last this long. If we had all done the same as Aus, NZ, East Asia, and many African countries, it would have all been over a year ago. It's dragging on only because we're not containing.

The plan? Well clearly the government's plan is the shortsighted, don't think of tomorrow, let any and all new strains in and to spread, worry about Long Covid including the financial costs later, and stick to the false economy approach.

The sensible plan would be border control - essential travel only (import and export lorries, etc), real quarantine, get our money's worth after spending billions on track and trace - get it working properly, mask adherence including reintroducing in schools. Then get jabbing. We need 80-90% of the population (and then the world) fully vaccinated. Possibly that will need to include boosters too. Then that's it. The way out (without a future of forever outbreaks). But we won't because greed, incompetence, and idiocy seem to be winning over morals, common sense, and foresight.

MarshaBradyo · 12/06/2021 21:57

Ok Tea go for it.

I doubt we’ll eradicate it even with what you say but can’t do this convo ad Infinitum so yep do it.

Tealightsandd · 12/06/2021 22:01

@MarshaBradyo

Ok Tea go for it.

I doubt we’ll eradicate it even with what you say but can’t do this convo ad Infinitum so yep do it.

GrinThat's a good point. Containing Covid will shut me up going on about it. If ever there was a reason!

Right. Now I need to get to Cornwall to take over from Boris. I'll go and pack.

MarshaBradyo · 12/06/2021 22:05

Ha knock em dead ;

(Maybe not literally Grin)

ChocOrange1 · 12/06/2021 22:28

@MrsBongiovi

So many people agree with her because they want to go on their holidays. She’s talking shite, she won’t have access to the data that Boris and the advisors have. She did a shit job running the country when she had the chance, just like Boris is now. I think she should shut the fuck up.
I don't care about foreign holidays, 3 of the 4 members of my household don't even have passports. I do care about my child starting school and not having to wash her hands 5 times a day, have a teacher wearing a mask and having to miss chunks of her education due to isolating for a virus which won't affect her, or anyone else because they're vaccinated.
QioiioiioQ · 12/06/2021 22:32

greed, incompetence, and idiocy
Oh yes those three donkey jockeys of the Apocalypse

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 13/06/2021 02:25

Surely at some point when we’ve all been infected repeatedly with Covid we should build up some natural immunity?

ChocOrange1 · 13/06/2021 05:21

We can't control the actions of others - but we can our own.Wechose to import the virus and then let it spread. We continue to do this
We aren't doing any of these things, or government are/did. The people on this thread, indeed the majority of people in the country didn't have a choice in any of this.
Everyone i know thinks we should have closed borders to India to prevent the variant entering. We aren't choosing to let variants in. But, as you said, we don't control the actions of others.

Againstmachine · 13/06/2021 07:33

Personally I trust the expertise of the scientists and doctors over a failed Prime Minister.

You mean idiots like Michie who says to wear masks forever, or Whitty and vallance who present false stats.

Nah don't trust them at all.

Theresa May is right we are one of most vaccinated but reluctant to give freedoms back, whilst destroying peoples livelyhoods.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 13/06/2021 07:37

@Againstmachine

Personally I trust the expertise of the scientists and doctors over a failed Prime Minister.

You mean idiots like Michie who says to wear masks forever, or Whitty and vallance who present false stats.

Nah don't trust them at all.

Theresa May is right we are one of most vaccinated but reluctant to give freedoms back, whilst destroying peoples livelyhoods.

This!!

Also @Tealightsandd still waiting to hear about your contribution to poorer countries pre covid?

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