Theresa May on Variants

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Could not agree more with Theresa May, never thought I'd say it.

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what exactly is the end game?
agree with PPs, the opportunity to use the pandemic to crush the NHS under the guise of saving it is too tempting for them to pass up.
They are itching to pass fat profits onto the cronies so they can all have a reptilianaire back-scratching orgy together

So many people agree with her because they want to go on their holidays. She’s talking shite, she won’t have access to the data that Boris and the advisors have. She did a shit job running the country when she had the chance, just like Boris is now. I think she should shut the fuck up.

@Greenmire

We need to get to the point where it is an inconvenient illness not one that puts you in hospital or kills you

That has always been the case for the vast majority of people and will never be the case for 100% of people.

Yes well done... But the point is to still get the balance right so the nhs and society can function

@MrsBongiovi

So many people agree with her because they want to go on their holidays. She’s talking shite, she won’t have access to the data that Boris and the advisors have. She did a shit job running the country when she had the chance, just like Boris is now. I think she should shut the fuck up.

Yes this.

Personally I trust the expertise of the scientists and doctors over a failed Prime Minister.

@MrsBongiovi

So many people agree with her because they want to go on their holidays. She’s talking shite, she won’t have access to the data that Boris and the advisors have. She did a shit job running the country when she had the chance, just like Boris is now. I think she should shut the fuck up.

What data do we think Boris has that hasn't been revealed?

She completely ignores the very real risks of Long Covid. The potential organ damage, triggering of diabetes, long term illness, people unable to work.

Long Covid has huge potential implications for long term health (both individual health and economic health).

She wants to condemn our children to grow up and old in a future with endemic Covid - forever dealing with the financial and health burden that would entail. New vaccines and drug treatments (for Covid and Long Covid) will be in patent - and so very expensive for years.

She's also showing no thought whatsoever for the poorer developing countries. They have enough to deal with. They don't need permanent endemic Covid on top. They don't have the same money or health infrastructure that we do. Funds that would be required to treat Covid and Long Covid are better spent on tackling the endemic illnesses they already have, like malaria.

It would be morally wrong to allow Covid to become endemic. For the sake of our children, and the developing countries, we need to work on containing it.

What data do we think Boris has that hasn't been revealed?

Do you really think the public get to know what’s going on? There will be reasons for every little decision they make, governments are not transparent. It will benefit them, you can be sure of that.

@Tealightsandd You can't contain it, it's too late. It will become endemic. They've even found the Delta variant in Australia, despite their heroic measures.

@MrsBongiovi Oh, I agree on the idea that someone is getting something out of the choices being made. I suppose I'm asking if you think the figures being shared are false.

@MrsBongiovi

So many people agree with her because they want to go on their holidays. She’s talking shite, she won’t have access to the data that Boris and the advisors have. She did a shit job running the country when she had the chance, just like Boris is now. I think she should shut the fuck up.

I don’t want to go on holiday. In fact to be honest even pre Covid I rarely went abroad/ pubs/ restaurants/ attractions/ anywhere far away or crowded.

In some ways my life now is fairly similar to my life pre Covid. The biggest difference is the constant doom in the media/ access to services reduced/ masks most places/ social distancing everywhere/ limited contact with family/ friends/ constant threat of isolating/ panicking if someone so much as looks a little ‘off’.

I don’t want to do anything in particular, I just want to live without this constant source of anxiety.

I want to be able to leave the house without a sodding mask or feeling like leper for daring to breathe.

I want my children to be able to have ‘normal’ experiences. I am sick of my sons education being under constant threat. I want my daughter who was born right before lockdown to be able to actually live in a world without some form of Covid restrictions.

I don’t want to have to panic every time someone in my household coughs or feels ill. I am sick of being on edge every time we have something important coming up (like a medical appointment). The constant threat that we may have to isolate at any moment is unbearable and driving me insane.

I am sick of every time it looks like we are taking a step forward to normality, something happens and suddenly we are pushed back five more steps. There literally feels like there is no end in sight. I am starting to be pessimistic of next year being any different as there always seems to be some threat.

I am sick to my stomach of the thought that this could be life forever. This is not living. This is not sustainable. I am sick of people thinking that we should just accept this life forever. I don’t want my daughter to never experience the freedoms the rest of us got to experience. I hate that this life is her normal.

I have done everything I am supposed to. I have even gone further because I naturally keep my social circle small and hate crowded places. So, I haven’t made the most of the freedoms we have at the moment.

However, even as an introvert that avoids social interaction as much as I can. I have had enough of constantly being made to feel like I want to kill people because I would one day like ‘normal’ back.

If even global vaccines are not going to work then seriously this is all just pointless and delaying the inevitable.

I am not saying we drop all restrictions today, or even tomorrow, or even this month. I don’t care really when restrictions end. They just HAVE to end at some point in the future.

One day enough has to be enough. There has to be an end to all this. Or else what is the point?

This is not living, it’s existing.

@MonsterMash2210

Amen

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I completely agree with her and I believe she and Jeremy Hunt would have handled the pandemic much better than Johnson and Hancock

I agree

Trying to get through to my dad that i don’t think this is a tory/labour government thing, i think its a competent/incompetent government thing is very difficult

[quote Bewareoftheblob]@Tealightsandd You can't contain it, it's too late. It will become endemic. They've even found the Delta variant in Australia, despite their heroic measures.[/quote]
Finding a small number of cases - and then taking swift decisive action to contain. Very different from the UK approach - which is to just let it spread.

Of course we can contain. A major part of that is getting the majority of the population fully vaccinated (with boosters where necessary), and then jab the rest of the world.

Biden and Macron's push for vaccine patent waiver would go very long way in helping the world get there.

Until fully vaccinated majority, we should have pandemic border controls with proper quarantine. We should also have working test, track, and trace (we spent billions on it afterall so should get our money's worth). Mask adherence too.

There's a reason why more sensible countries like France, Germany, and America are restricting entry for high risk places like the UK (so essential travel only - like import and export lorries) We keep letting new horses bolt.

The horse has gone, people say. Too late, they insist. Except that the horse has lots of cousins. Too late for the first few horses but not for the others.

We owe it to our children to make efforts to contain. They will not thank us if we sit back and accept (on their behalf) a future with endemic Covid.

We should not be condemning our children to a future where they forever face the organ and other damage of Long Covid.

We also have a moral responsibility to think of the impact on poorer countries, who definitely do not need an an entirely avoidable additional health and economic burden. These countries have done so much to contain. Pandemic border controls. They don't deserve to suffer because of our failures.

am sick to my stomach of the thought that this could be life forever. This is not living. This is not sustainable. I am sick of people thinking that we should just accept this life forever. I don’t want my daughter to never experience the freedoms the rest of us got to experience. I hate that this life is her normal.

So then you will support measures to contain.

If we allow this to become endemic, we are condemning our children to forever go through this.

A future with endemic Covid means outbreaks. Again and again. Each time, more pain and suffering - the bereavements, people (including the young) left long term disabled through Long Covid, economic damage.

We owe it to our children to take temporary action now, to prevent this becoming a permanent part of their future.

If the UK and the other places where the leaders lacked foresight had done what Australia, New Zealand, East Asia, and many African countries had done, this would all have been over with one year ago.

Now all we can do is not keep on fucking it up.

Our children deserve a future free of ongoing endemic Covid outbreaks.

@Tealightsandd you do realise that we live with lots of other viruses that can cause death/ long term disease/disability in some people? I think coronavirus will just be added to that list.

Our children will grow up and become the adults of the future. The adults who will be dying young because of Covid outbreaks.

They deserve a better future than one where they forever face dying before their time or suffering long term illness including organ damage, because their parents failed to stop it happening.

@Tealightsandd

Our children will grow up and become the adults of the future. The adults who will be dying young because of Covid outbreaks.

They deserve a better future than one where they forever face dying before their time or suffering long term illness including organ damage, because their parents failed to stop it happening.

Dying young? The average age of death from this is over 80.

Why do you think that young adults will die because of Covid? They haven't so far.

@Tealightsandd

am sick to my stomach of the thought that this could be life forever. This is not living. This is not sustainable. I am sick of people thinking that we should just accept this life forever. I don’t want my daughter to never experience the freedoms the rest of us got to experience. I hate that this life is her normal.

So then you will support measures to contain.

If we allow this to become endemic, we are condemning our children to forever go through this.

A future with endemic Covid means outbreaks. Again and again. Each time, more pain and suffering - the bereavements, people (including the young) left long term disabled through Long Covid, economic damage.

We owe it to our children to take temporary action now, to prevent this becoming a permanent part of their future.

Of course I support measure to contain the virus whilst we get on top of the virus and one day lead the way to a normal life.

What I am struggling to accept is all the people that insist that we are going to need these measures forever.

What I am struggling to accept is all the people that insist that we are going to need these measures forever.

I agree with you. That's why we need to take the right measures to properly contain now. Instead of letting it go on and on - and then become endemic (which means a future forever with outbreaks).

Tealightsandd you do realise that we live with lots of other viruses that can cause death/ long term disease/disability in some people? I think coronavirus will just be added to that list.

Yeah great gift for our children's future. Unnecessarily add an extra health and financial burden for them to suffer.

islingtontribune.com/article/some-have-run-marathons-the-young-fill-long-covid-clinics

We should not condemn our children to grow up and become adults in a future forever with the risks of Long Covid.

Hardly. They’ll suffer a much worse financial burden if we keep locking down and trashing the economy. The health burden on the young is minimal.

And as others have already said, it being endemic is inevitable.

It absolutely is not inevitable. Although it is if people keep saying it is and then accept that lie as truth.

As you can see from the article above, the impact of Long Covid on the young who get it is absolutely not 'minimal'.

And yes you're right. We shouldn't keep needing to lock down. We should instead have pandemic border control. Genuinely essential travel only (like France is doing with restricting travel from the UK so just import and export lorries, etc). Proper quarantine, masks, working test and trace.
Then we get the majority fully vaccinated (with boosters where required).

This is the Johnson variant make no mistake.

The government put India on the "red list" of places to which travel is banned on 23 April, two weeks later than Pakistan and Bangladesh, which had fewer cases per million at the time.

Asked if he regretted this, the prime minister said the Delta variant had not "even been identified as a variant under investigation" at the time, though documents on the government's website say it was designated as such on 1 April.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/979818/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_9_England.pdf